Help needed with a puzzle

[redshank]

Brilliant! Thanks for letting me know. I'm glad that the time pouring through the records in Lichfield had value for someone else as well as me.

Cheers,
John

[maidmarianoops]

 
marriage banns carsington
1834 Mar 9   Rowland  Allsop   Hannah  Stack  Brassington   
1834 May 4  George  Allsop   Hannah  Batterley 

1845 May 11  William  Allsop  Brassington  Elizabeth  Mather 
1853 Jun 12   John  Allsop  Hopton  Sarah  Webster 
1861 Dec 15   John  Allsop   Dorothy  Slater 
1922 Nov 26 Dec 10  James Edwin  Allsop   Ivy Minnie  Hubbard  St Werburghs Derby 
 
carsington marriages
1747 Jun 4  William  Alsop[Brassington]   Jane  Bellfield 

[maidmarianoops]

bits and peices
  carsington baptisms
1747 Nov 14  Hannah /  William  Ann  Alsop 

1750 Mar 15  Benjamin /   William  Jane  Alsop 

1752? Sep 10  William  / William  Jane  Alsop 

1757 Nov 20  Penelope /   William  Jane  Alsop 
i have lots of these up to 1886
also buriels

[maidmarianoops]

marriages Derbyshire
John Kirkland  labr  Elizabeth Houseley 18 Sep 1815
William Kirkland  Ann Horten  25 May 1765 Witnesses  Benjamin Hemingway  Samuel Campion.
John Kirkland  Mackworth  Hannah Johnson Weston-under-Wood 19 Jan 1739

 baptism
10 Dec 1775 Elizabeth illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth Kirkland of Mickleover

Joseph Earle was Father of 3 illegitimate children by  housekeeper, Elizabeth Kirkland / Karkland or Carke  the name is entered in 3 places see Baptisms in years 1778 , 1781 , 1782.
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hannah wiberley  john kirkland Marriage:  01 aug1747   Duffield  Derby England


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ann wood
john kirkland   
  Marriage:  07 apr 1748   Duffield Derby England
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[Gardener]

Now there isn't a marriage for a Jane Webster to a Joseph Harrison in the Wirksworth PR but there is this one:

1760dec18 WIBBERLY Jane(Wirksworth)/HARRISON Joseph
            Witnesses: Charles HOUGHTON,Joseph GREEN    Comment: Fell monger

No baptisms I can find for either Jane or Hannah Webster/Wibberley, but think that marriage is good confirmation that Hannah Webster/Wibberley is the same person who married your John Kirkland and then my William .
So thankyou  
Cheers Jan

To be honest I thought this was going off track a bit BUT there is this information too....

1 Ince 024B has as you know "Hannah d of Webster of Steeple House Innkeeper and sister of Jane ux Joseph alias Fiddler Harrison"

2 Ince 025D has "Joseph Harrison of Kirk Ireton fidler m Jane"
And same page lists their children including one "Samuel Harrison m d Matthew Fowke went for soldier??"

3 The Wirksworth marriage entry for that is 11/9/1786 Samuel Harrison (Kirk Ireton)/ Mary Fowlke Witnesses William Allsop, George Salt

4 The bapt for Samuel Harrison is 20/11/1761 Samuel Harrison son of Joseph (Steeplehall)

So, I think that Joseph and Jane lived at Steeplehall when first married. And that might fit with Jane and Hannah's father being from there

[maidmarianoops]

derbyshire
 06 Nov 1777 Hannah Webster, buried.
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Samuel Kirkland Mary Webster
  13 Jan 1773  Derbyshire  Registers of Marriages
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births

William Webster Allsopp
  March 1842  Shardlow
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1861 census
William Webster Father-in-law with Wiberley family includes hannah /joseph  1797  Hulland, Derbyshire 
THERE ARE LOTS OF WIBERLEY   
 
sylvia

[janan]

Hi Sylvia
You're on a roll again  Thank you. Keep burrowing and who knows what you'll turn up 

Hi Katrina
Thanks for the extra info.
Been thinking how Wibberley could possibly mistaken for Webster - but badly written and spelt Webyley or something like that could look like Webster with a long s  Don't think this is just wishful thinking 

Thanks again John.

Cheers Jan

[maidmarianoops]

Marriages at Duffield from Phillimore Parish Registers

john kirkland hannah wibberley 1 aug 1747
john webster grace carlilse 27 oct 1747
john kirkland ann wood 7 apr 1748
william alsop hannah kirkland 14 oct 1752
joseph wibberley elizabeth bott 28 dec 1752
marmaduke alsop mary buxton 25 mar 1753
john alsop elizabeth barking 12 may 1753
john alsop hannah smedley 3 june 1754
john alsop sarah swift jan 1757
thomas alsop martha watson 28 nov 1757
samuel alsop elizabeth millington 15 sept 1762
sylvia
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joseph harrison jane wibberley marriage18 DEC 1760   Wirksworth, Derby, England


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Joseph Harrison
jane wibberley born 1739 
 children
samuel harrison 1761 steeplehall
john harrison 1763       "
   
 
 

[maidmarianoops]

CARSINGTON births and MARRIAGES
1747 Nov 14  Hannah  dau  William  Ann  Alsop 

1750 Mar 15  Benjamin  son  William  Jane  Alsop 
1752? Sep 10  William  son  William  Jane  Alsop 




mar
1742 Sep 23  Richard  Alsop   Elizabeth  Alsop 

1747 Jun 4  William  Alsop  Jane  Bellfield 
1752 Jan 29  Samuel  Wayn   Hannah  Wibberley 
1782 May 5  Thomas  Webster  Jane  Alsop 
1770 Feb 15  Thomas  Millington  Sarah  Greaves 

Witnesses TO OTHER WEDDINGS

 Samuel Woodhouse/William Alsop 1755
 William Wood/Joshua Wibberley  1756
 Henry Ford/William Alsop 1756
there are wibberley and websters in the same area
SYLVIA