Looking for Ellyatt ancestors but I'm stuck

[tessdougall]

I've just started researching my family history and I thought it would be pretty straightforward - I have an unusual family name, Ellyatt, and   I think the family originates from Sussex.  I've tracked down my great-grandfather George William Ellyatt in the 1901 census - he was 27, married and working as a baker in Brighton. But he doesn't seem to exist before then! I've searched all the available on-line records and he doesn't appear in any censuses and there's no birth certificate or baptism record. Is this usual? He did register his marriage in 1897 and lists his father as George Thomas Ellyatt who is another elusive figure - no birth or death records or appearances on any census. Was it usual for people in this era to duck any form of registration? Or am I just unlucky?

[Sasha]

Hi,

Noticed this marriage on freebmd:

Surname  First name(s)    District  Vol  Page 
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Marriages Sep 1873
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Alger  Ellen    Brighton  2b 292   
EDE  John     Brighton  2b 292   
ELLYATT  George Thomas     Brighton  2b 292   
HAYLER  Annie     Brighton  2b 292

There is also the following birth (could be a mistranscription of the surname?):

Births Sep 1873 - ELLIOTT, George William, Brighton, vol 2b, page 219

I've had a look at the on-line records too, and would agree with you that your Ellyatt's are elusive.  You could try a request for a look-up on the 1891 census.

Sasha. 

[Nicky]

HI
I havent found your family on the census yet but have come across this marriage for George Thomas Ellyatt in 1873 in Brighton.

Name Year Quarter Record Type District County Volume Page
 
Alger, Ellen 1873 September Marriages Brighton Sussex East Sussex 2b 292
EDE, John 1873 September Marriages Brighton Sussex East Sussex 2b 292
ELLYATT, George Thomas 1873 September Marriages Brighton Sussex East Sussex 2b 292
HAYLER, Annie 1873 September Marriages Brighton Sussex East Sussex 2b 292

I will keep looking and post any other info and try and find out which lady he married.

Nicky

[Nicky]

Hi
I have looked on the IGI site and according to their records this is the marriage of George Thomas


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GEORGE THOMAS ELLYATT 
  Male   Family
   

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Event(s):
 Birth: 
 Christening: 
 Death: 
 Burial: 
   

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Marriages:
  Spouse:  ANNIE HAYLER  Family
  Marriage:  20 JUL 1873   Saint Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex, England
 
 

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Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date. 
     

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Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  Type: 
 
 M147945  1872 - 1881  1067169   Film  NONE   
 
 
 Sheet: 
 
that may give you something to go on.
Nicky

[Nicky]

this looks like a sister to George William


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ANNE ABULIA ELLYATT 
  Female     
   

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Event(s):
 Birth: 
 Christening:  23 JAN 1876   St Peters, Brighton, Sussex, England
 
 Death: 
 Burial: 
   

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Parents:
  Father:  GEORGE THOMAS ELLYATT  Family
  Mother:  ANNE     
     

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Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  Type: 
 
 C018398          Film 
 
 
 Sheet: 
 
 
Sorry no luck at all on the census
Nicky

[Sasha]

Hi,

Found a possible death on freebmd for George Thomas Ellyatt's wife Annie Hayler:


Surname  First name(s)  Age  District  Vol  Page 
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Deaths Sep 1903
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Ellyatt  Annie Beulah  47  Brighton  2b 120   


Just thought that the middle name 'Beulah' was similar to the daughter Anne's middle name 'Abulia' which Nicky found.

Sasha.

[Frances]

Hi,
Found on the BVRI William and his brother John, I have omitted Anne which has already been posted by Nicky. Kind Regards, Frances

ELLYATT, George William   Christening
   Gender:   Male
   Christening Date:   23 Jan 1876   Recorded in:   Brighton, Sussex, England
         Collection:   St Peter
   Father:   George Thomas ELLYATT
   Mother:   Anne
Source:   FHL Film 1067136   Dates:   1870 - 1879

ELLYATT, John Harvey   Christening
   Gender:   Male
   Christening Date:   30 Dec 1877   Recorded in:   Brighton, Sussex, England
         Collection:   St Peter
   Father:   George Thomas ELLYATT
   Mother:   Annie
Source:   FHL Film 1067136   Dates:   1877 - 1882   

[Sasha]

Just looking through the various information and dates which have been posted.

George Thomas Ellyatt and Annie Hayler married 20th July 1873.

Their son George William Ellyatt was christened 23rd January 1876 (same day as Anne Abulia), but in 1901 he was 27 which would place his birth at around 1873/1874.  So, were George and Anne twins, or did his parents christen him as a 2 or 3 year old on the same day as Anne?

I know ages aren't always reliable on the census but could George William have been born just before his parents married and baptised at a later date?  If his age is correct on the 1901 census then it was a close run thing between his birth and his parents marriage. 

On freebmd there is the following birth:

Surname  First name(s)    District  Vol  Page 
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Births Sep 1873
Hayler  George William     Ticehurst  2b 86

I would try to get a photocopy of the parish register baptism entry for George William and Anne Abulia and see if it gives any additional information - the local archives office should be able to supply this, or even the local studies section of the main Brighton library.

Sasha. 

[tessdougall]

To Sasha. Nicky and Frances - awesome research, many thanks for your time, effort and advice, it is hugely appreciated. I had found Anne Abulia in my research - interestingly her birth was registered as Ann Ebulia Harvey Ellyatt which shows how flexible names were! I had wondered if her death was registered in 1903 because Annnie Beulah is a similar name but the age is wrong.
And Sasha your thoughts on George William Ellyatt are really interesting - I have a copy of his marriage certificate and he definitely was born in 1873/74 so it's quite possible he was born before his parents married. I will definitely follow up your leads, thank you again!
 
Theresa