Marriage and births in Leith

[Starry]

I need some help tracking down a marriage (handfasting maybe?) and a couple of births.

Richard and Marian (Marion/Miriam) Liversedge had two children in Scotland.

In 1851, Richard is in England.

c1853, Thomas is born in Scotland
c1855, Elizabeth is born in Scotland

In 1861, Richard, Marion and the kids are back in England, with more children born in England from c1856 onwards.

Marion is Scottish, but never mentions where she is from. Neither does Elizabeth. On 3 censuses, Thomas puts his place of birth as Leith.

I have checked ScotlandsPeople till I'm blue in the face. Can anyone access (or tell me where I can) records for the various churched in Leith that aren't on ScotlandsPeople.

[Rena]

Hi,
Have you thought Marian/Miriam's family may have moved down to England and she met & married Richard in England? You say you've found Richard in 1851, maybe you ought to look in the vicinity for his fiancee?

There's a couple of notations for a Richard Liversedge marriage June 1852 - see below - Mary Briggs is entered twice as well - although I would have plumped for Mary Ann (= Miriam) Child as his bride.

taken from freebmd:-
Marriages Jun 1852
Arran Richard   Wakefield 9c50
Briggs Mary   Wakefield 9c50
Liversidge Richard   Wakefield 9c50
Winch Elizabeth   Wakefield 9c50
 
Marriages Jun 1852
Abson Caroline  Wakefield 9c56
BRIGGS Mary   Wakefield 9c56
Child Mary Ann   Wakefield 9c56
Harrand David   Wakefield 9c56
Day John   Wakefield 9c56
LIVERSIDGE Richard   HA*FIELD 9C56

Cheers,
Rena
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I need some help tracking down a marriage (handfasting maybe?) and a couple of births.

Richard and Marian (Marion/Miriam) Liversedge had two children in Scotland.

In 1851, Richard is in England.

c1853, Thomas is born in Scotland
c1855, Elizabeth is born in Scotland

In 1861, Richard, Marion and the kids are back in England, with more children born in England from c1856 onwards.

Marion is Scottish, but never mentions where she is from. Neither does Elizabeth. On 3 censuses, Thomas puts his place of birth as Leith.

I have checked ScotlandsPeople till I'm blue in the face. Can anyone access (or tell me where I can) records for the various churched in Leith that aren't on ScotlandsPeople.

[Starry]

Thank you Rena. Those marriages weren't there the last time I looked on FreeBMD. I'll go look for Mary now

There isn't a probable one in Yorkshire or Lincolnshire (where Richard is).

[Rena]

You won't find 'Liversedge' marriages - I asked for soundex surnames which came up with LiverSIDGE.  I've read somewhere, that in those days there was one day each year when suitable single men were put on a list by the parish committee - outside employers / agents would contract the bachelors to work elsewhere for a period of time.   Coincidentally, I've got an 1815 Yorkshire family and the only suitable bride we can find is a girl from Wakefield which is miles away but how on earth he met her we've no idea. His family were small farmers but I did find a clue that he'd been contracted outside his parish area when I found his name & birth village on a list of coal mine employees well over a day's travel away.   After the marriage he brought her home to work the farm.
Happy hunting
Rena

Thank you Rena. Those marriages weren't there the last time I looked on FreeBMD. I'll go look for Mary now

There isn't a probable one in Yorkshire or Lincolnshire (where Richard is).

[Starry]

Thanks Rena, but this is that Richard...

1861
Richard Liversidge abt 1830  Castleford, Head  Castleford  Yorkshire   
Mary Liversidge abt 1831  Pontefract, Wife  Castleford  Yorkshire   
William Liversidge abt 1851  Glasshoughton, Son  Castleford  Yorkshire 
Frederic Liversidge abt 1853  Glasshoughton, Son  Castleford  Yorkshire   
Edwin Liversidge abt 1856  Castleford, Son  Castleford  Yorkshire   
Thomas Liversidge abt 1858  Castleford, Son  Castleford  Yorkshire   
Richard Liversidge abt 1860  Castleford, Son  Castleford  Yorkshire   

1851
William Briggs abt 1796  Pontefract, Head  Glass Houghton  Yorkshire   
Ann Briggs abt 1799  Pontefract, Wife  Glass Houghton  Yorkshire   
Sarah Briggs abt 1839  Pontefract, Daughter  Glass Houghton  Yorkshire   
Richard Briggs abt 1841  Pontefract, Son  Glass Houghton  Yorkshire   
Mary Briggs abt 1832  Pontefract, Daughter  Glass Houghton  Yorkshire   
William Briggs abt 1850  Glass Houghton, Grandson  Glass Houghton  Yorkshire 

John Liversidge abt 1838  Castleford, Son  Castleford  Yorkshire   
Elizabeth Liversidge abt 1801  Appleton, Head  Castleford  Yorkshire   
Richard Liversidge abt 1830  Castleford, Son  Castleford  Yorkshire 


Not mine, unfortunately

[Rena]

This is like a game of ping pong!
It's not clear (from the insert) where you found Richard. Have you asked Lincolnshire if there is still an existing record of the certificate that allowed Richard Leversedge to live in the Lincolnshire parish (or was it a Yorkshire parish?). If you're lucky you may find something about him on www.a2a.org.uk otherwise you'll have to approach the local library archives if the FHS don't have them.
Good luck
Rena
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Thank you Rena. Those marriages weren't there the last time I looked on FreeBMD. I'll go look for Mary now

There isn't a probable one in Yorkshire or Lincolnshire (where Richard is).

[Starry]

In 1851, Richard is lodging in Grimsby. He's a stone mason, living with a dock labourer. He was born in Tadcaster, which is where he is in 1841. In 1856 and 1859, they have sons in Tadcaster. In 1861, they have moved to Durham. By 1865, they are in Middlesbrough.

I don't think they liked staying in one place lol

How would I go about ''asking'' Lincolnshire about certificates?

[Starry]

I ordered the English birth certificate of one of the children. Turns out Marrion's maiden name is Johnston! How's that for an original Scottish name? lol

I've had a look on Scotlands People, but there are so many I don't know where to start.

If anyone can help me with the marriage or the births I'd be eternaly grateful.

[Rena]

Hi,
Sorry, I don't have any credit left on Scotlands people and I don't understand your problem.   Marriages usually show both names of the couple and baptisms of children usually show both parents names if known.  It costs one credit to view a page showing a list of the surname you are interested in and a further 2 credits to download the image. This means you've got a chance of downloading 10 images for minimum outlay and you should be able to go back further in time locating more than one generation.

It should be easy to find both Richard Lev. and also Marian Johnston's parents.
From the census you already know within 2 years the birth years of Richard & Marian.
Richard's parents names are shown in Richard's 1st son (Thomas?) and 2nd daughter.
Marion's mother is shown by Marion's 1st dau.(Elizabeth?) and her 2nd son.   

c1853, Thomas is born in Scotland
c1855, Elizabeth is born in Scotland

My grandmother was born in Leith and she met my grandfather in Leith but they married in his home town of Glasgow, so keep an open mind about where Richard & Marian married.

If you manage to find the earlier generation and have some credits left I would advise you use them up looking for death certs of the grandparents which will give you the next generation.

Sorry I can't help further,
Rena
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I ordered the English birth certificate of one of the children. Turns out Marrion's maiden name is Johnston! How's that for an original Scottish name? lol

I've had a look on Scotlands People, but there are so many I don't know where to start.

If anyone can help me with the marriage or the births I'd be eternaly grateful.