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Census Lookup - 1861/71 Brighton
« on: Tuesday 12 December 06 04:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi there

Is there any sign of Margaret Anne Dorman c1836 Northumberland, probably a widow and/or her mother Margaret Fenwick c1800? Northumberland? in Brighton in 1861 & 71?  Not sure when her father Simon Fenwick (engineer)died but he may be there too.

Not sure why Margaret would be in Brighton as her infant daughter was in London, but if the 1874 Brighton death record I have found is her then she should show up somewhere!

Thanks, Jane
DBY:  Walters. DUR: Dorman, Gowland. DVN:  Berry, Gent, Norman, Reed, Spurrell, Watts.  ESX:  Adams.  NBL:  Fenwick,  Jobson.  NFK:  Dewing, Goss, Herring.  SAL:  Bailey, Ball.  SRY:  Wicks.  SSX:  Baker, French, Pelling/Young, Parlett, Paine.  STS:  Bailey, Hanson, Penn, Radford.  YKS:  Dewing.  NI Co Armagh: Sergeant, Bradford. Wales: Williams, Owens.

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Re: Census Lookup - 1861/71 Brighton
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 12 December 06 08:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jane

No sign of them in Brighton.

You don't give the name of the infant daughter but in the 1861 census in Yorkshire there is a Margaret Dorman with her husband William and a 5 month old Mary Jane. 

Margaret is born in Durham. 

The reference is RG9 3365 60 9

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Re: Census Lookup - 1861/71 Brighton
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 12 December 06 08:35 GMT (UK) »
1861 RG9 596 F75 p20 77 Elder St Brighton
Margaret Fenwick Hd Wid 61 Fund Holder b Newcastle Northumberland
George Booth 26 lodger carman b Lewes
Ellen         " 24                                  "
Rose Ellen " 2 b Brighton
Cannot see Margaret Dorman though.  Can you give more details?
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Re: Census Lookup - 1861/71 Brighton
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 12 December 06 08:47 GMT (UK) »
1871 RG10 1081 F85 p12  11 Ann? St Brighton
Margaret Fenwick Hd wid 71 Annuitant b Newcastle

Might be worth looking for a will for Simon and for Margaret.
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Re: Census Lookup - 1861/71 Brighton
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 12 December 06 09:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kerry & Andrea

Margaret Dorman (nee Fenwick) was married to Jacob Dorman (my GG grandparents) and 4 of their children were born in Constantinople 1856-1863.  So they don't seem to show up in 1851 or 61.  They have been very difficult to trace.  Apart from the births of their children they apparently left no trace.  There is a probable sighting of Jacob in 1841 in Rotherhithe Surrey but nothing else so far

In 1871 the oldest son, Jacob, is in an Orphan Asylum for the children of deceased merchant seamen in Wanstead.  Three of them are with their Aunt Eleanor Fenwick Miller in Stepney: Margaret 14, Robert 8, and Amy 7m  ??? (I didn't know of Amy's existence until I saw this entry!).

I had assumed both parents had died but I have found a biography of a cousin (Florence Fenwick Milller) which mentions that her grandmother Margaret Fenwick lived in Brighton - and there is a death of a Margaret Ann Dorman Dec Q 1874 which I had previously discounted, not knowing of any connection to Brighton.

So if Margaret Dorman is not in London with her kids, and not in Brighton with her Ma, Where the Heck is she  :(

Happy though about the will.  The book mentions that Eleanor inherits money from her mother.  I had checked previously, but not for a Fenwick in Brighton ;D

Cheers, Jane
DBY:  Walters. DUR: Dorman, Gowland. DVN:  Berry, Gent, Norman, Reed, Spurrell, Watts.  ESX:  Adams.  NBL:  Fenwick,  Jobson.  NFK:  Dewing, Goss, Herring.  SAL:  Bailey, Ball.  SRY:  Wicks.  SSX:  Baker, French, Pelling/Young, Parlett, Paine.  STS:  Bailey, Hanson, Penn, Radford.  YKS:  Dewing.  NI Co Armagh: Sergeant, Bradford. Wales: Williams, Owens.

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Re: Census Lookup - 1861/71 Brighton
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 12 December 06 12:26 GMT (UK) »
Damn - I downloaded Simon's will (he died c1856 in Northampton) but he doesn't name all his children, just wife Margaret and son Thomas.  Can't find one for Margaret Fenwick.

I'll try the Northampton board and see if I can find them in 1851.

Jane
DBY:  Walters. DUR: Dorman, Gowland. DVN:  Berry, Gent, Norman, Reed, Spurrell, Watts.  ESX:  Adams.  NBL:  Fenwick,  Jobson.  NFK:  Dewing, Goss, Herring.  SAL:  Bailey, Ball.  SRY:  Wicks.  SSX:  Baker, French, Pelling/Young, Parlett, Paine.  STS:  Bailey, Hanson, Penn, Radford.  YKS:  Dewing.  NI Co Armagh: Sergeant, Bradford. Wales: Williams, Owens.

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Re: Census Lookup - 1861/71 Brighton
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 12 December 06 12:56 GMT (UK) »
I doubt if you will find Margaret Fenwick's will online.  The ones after 1858 are not indexed online as far as I know.  You have to contact the main probate office in Holborn, London.  First Avenue House?   They do have a web site.
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Re: Census Lookup - 1861/71 Brighton
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 12 December 06 13:06 GMT (UK) »
Ah, thanks.

Found Simon, Margaret, son Simon and another previously unknown son Robert in Lincolnshire in 1851.  Still no sign of Margaret Ann ...  :(

Jane
DBY:  Walters. DUR: Dorman, Gowland. DVN:  Berry, Gent, Norman, Reed, Spurrell, Watts.  ESX:  Adams.  NBL:  Fenwick,  Jobson.  NFK:  Dewing, Goss, Herring.  SAL:  Bailey, Ball.  SRY:  Wicks.  SSX:  Baker, French, Pelling/Young, Parlett, Paine.  STS:  Bailey, Hanson, Penn, Radford.  YKS:  Dewing.  NI Co Armagh: Sergeant, Bradford. Wales: Williams, Owens.

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Re: Census Lookup - 1861/71 Brighton
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 12 December 06 13:20 GMT (UK) »
Hey, finally a confirmed sighting - Isobelruss found her in 1841!!  :) ;D  :D

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0101/
DBY:  Walters. DUR: Dorman, Gowland. DVN:  Berry, Gent, Norman, Reed, Spurrell, Watts.  ESX:  Adams.  NBL:  Fenwick,  Jobson.  NFK:  Dewing, Goss, Herring.  SAL:  Bailey, Ball.  SRY:  Wicks.  SSX:  Baker, French, Pelling/Young, Parlett, Paine.  STS:  Bailey, Hanson, Penn, Radford.  YKS:  Dewing.  NI Co Armagh: Sergeant, Bradford. Wales: Williams, Owens.