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Offline pat_john

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England 2 Canada 2 USA and back
« on: Monday 03 November 08 02:16 GMT (UK) »
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Harry Chester
 born June 19, 1871 at Needham Market, Suffolk England
and later falsifies his age to 20 sailing from Liverpool to Canada
under Roll No. C 4514  on the Oregon bound for Halifax, Nova Scotia and Portland Maine.  Arriving on Jan. 24 1890.
 There are various stories of his travels but next he turned up in Rochester New York
Where in 1894, he married Evalyna Herfy born 1876 in Germany.
The daughter of Sabin Herfy and Katherine Hauk .

Harry & Evalyna's first son
Harry William Chester is born on Aug.4 1895 in Rochester, New York ...
The Chester's then lived at  13 Klee Park,  off Maple Street  ( might be of significance).
At an unknown date, Harry, Evalyna & son Harry W. and Evalyna's younger sister Barbara Herfy sailed back to London.
Their second son was born in 1898 and I am attempting to find details of their return.
 ( from English Passenger Records but have been unsuccessfull) .  :'(
I would like to confirm the dates and where abouts of their marriage and birth of their son's .... If possible without spending any money.
If anyone could HELP me find this information etc... I would GREATLY APPRECIATE it.   :-*   Thank you
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Re: England 2 Canada 2 USA and back
« Reply #1 on: Monday 03 November 08 16:37 GMT (UK) »
HI Pat,

Looks like Barbara Herfy was back in Rochester to be married to William Liebeck in 1917

http://www.ci.rochester.ny.us/Finance/RecordsMangement/MarriageRecords/index.cfm

In the UK Birth index there is a Stella P Chester born 1913 mother's maiden name Herfy Vol 1d, page 1725 and Norma V. Chester born 1920, mother's maiden name Herfy Vol 1d, page 2203

Karen
Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham<br />Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham<br />Shorter - Surrey<br />Dyer - Devon<br />Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland<br />Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Gloucestershire

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!

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Re: England 2 Canada 2 USA and back
« Reply #2 on: Monday 03 November 08 16:45 GMT (UK) »
They are in England in the 1901 Census

Harry, age 29, born Suffolk, Needham
Lena, age 24 born Germany
Harry, age 5, born USA
Maurice, age 3, born London
Percy, age 1, born London
Barbara Heify, sister in law, age 16, born USA
RG 13/4794

K
Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham<br />Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham<br />Shorter - Surrey<br />Dyer - Devon<br />Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland<br />Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Gloucestershire

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!

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Re: England 2 Canada 2 USA and back
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 04 November 08 21:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi Karen :
                Thank you for the information .....   Stella Chester is the Mothers name and Harry Chester is the Grandfather ....   so far so good.

Trying to find the Marriage record of
Harry Chester  born June 19 1871 (England) &  Evalyna Herfy born 1876  ( Germany)
and Birth Record of son
Harry William Chester born Aug. 4 1895 Rochester,New York USA.
 
1901 England Census
Harry & Lena  (instead of Evalyna but I'm positive its correct Family)
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Re: England 2 Canada 2 USA and back
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 15:40 GMT (UK) »
I would suggest contacting the Rochester City Archives directly for the birth/marriage.

http://www2.libraryweb.org/orgMain.asp?orgid=468
 - Sabin Herfy, stonecutter, is in the 1891 directory (some Chesters but no Harry),
1892 Sabin Herfy, 13 Klueh Park (again, no Harry),
1893 same address, Harry shows up as Harry Chester, gardener, Floral av. b. 80 Spencer,
1894, Herfy's at same address, Harry a laundryman at 102 Court bds., 80 Spencer.
1895, Sabin at same address, a Daniel Herfy (son?) 'boards 265 Smith', Harry appears to have moved in with the Herfy's at Klueh Park.
1896, Sabin at same address. Daniel disappeared (moved back in with family?), Harry disappeared.

Surely, given this data, the marriage must have been in Rochester around 1893-5, most probably 1894.

If you go back, in 1884 both Catherine (Mrs Herfy) and Sabin Herfy are listed at 9 Wagner Place, so probably Barbara was b. Rochester also.  I didn't check all the surrounding years, but it would be good to see if you could pin down the Herfy's arrival into Rochester.

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html - I think Daniel Herfy is on the 1900 census in Rochester as "Daniel Hurly", b. Germany 1873, emigrated 1878 (newly married, wife Emma).  Sabin is there as Saben Herfi, widowed, and Barbara is listed with him - so perhaps she went to the UK seperately to visit her sister? It indicates 7 children, 3 living for Sabin (presumably Evalyna , Daniel, and Barbara living), and emigration of 1878.

www.ellisisland.org has Barbara Herfy reentering the US in 1902.  Judging from the 1920 census, she had at least one son, George Liebeck b. 1919 (SSDI shows he died in 1980).
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Re: England 2 Canada 2 USA and back
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 15:44 GMT (UK) »
Well done Jorose!!

Karen
Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham<br />Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham<br />Shorter - Surrey<br />Dyer - Devon<br />Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland<br />Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Gloucestershire

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 07 November 08 03:42 GMT (UK) »
 :)
Thank You for the information.
Yous are doing a great job.
I'm taking medication for seizure & it causes memory problems....
So I have alot of trouble remembering how to do things on the computer. I really appreciate all your HELP.
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Re: England 2 Canada 2 USA and back
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 22 November 08 05:37 GMT (UK) »
Can Anyone HELP with the following questions-   ???

1/ 1884 was Daniel also living here?
2/ 1890 Sabin a stonecutter - Any address given?
3/ Any other Herfy's living here? Applies to 1892-93-94-95-96 & 1900.
4/ Is there any chance of finding the date of Katherine Herfys death?
5/Any chance of finding the date of the birth for Marion Liebeck daughter of George & Barbara?

Obviously any additional info would be greatly appreciated
and any error corrected.  Thanks in advance

 :'(   I think I might be in a confused state at the moment.... SORRY
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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 22 November 08 06:23 GMT (UK) »
" Herfy/Chester Jig-Saw "   My Master Copy

1878 Emigration from Germany to Rochester, New york USA
Sabin Herfy B:1839-Germany
Katherine Herfy B:1840 Germany ( nee Hauk )
Daniel Herfy B:1873 Germany
Evalyna Herfy B:1876 Germany
1884 Living at 9 Wagner Place, Rochester, New York USA - Sabin, Katherine & Barbara Herfy.
1890 Harry Chester B:1871 Suffork, sailed from Liverpool, England 2 Canada on the Oregan bound for Halifax, nova Scotia & Portland Maine arriving on Jan. 24th 1890 under Roll No.  C4514, having falsified his age of 18 to 20.
1891 Sabin Herfy mentioned as a Stonecutter in the 1891 Directory
1891 Canadian Census- Harry Chester-Lodger, single 21 B: England Labourer. District No. 132 York West, Etosicoke, Ontario Canada.
1892 Sabin Herfy living at 13 Klueh Park, rochester, New York  USA
1893 Sabin Herfy living at 13 Klueh Park, with Daughter Evalyna, & Harry Chester ( Gardener)
1894 Sabin Herfy living at Klueh Park, Harry Chester ( A Laundryman) living at 102 Court Buildings, Rochester New York USA. Harry Chester married Evalyna Herfy.
1895 Sabin Herfy living at 13 Klueh Park & Daniel Herfy Also Harry & Evalyna Chester + son Harry William Chester B:1895
1896 Sabin Herfy living at 13 Klueh Park
1898 Harry, Evalyna & Harry William Chester , now in London England & have second son Maurice B:1898.
1900 USA Census- Sabin Herfy living at Klueh Park & Barbara Herfy, Also Daniel Herfy married to Emma Feikler B:1870 USA (N.B. Sabin now a widower having had 7 children of which are living)
1901 UK Census- Harry, Evalyna, Harry W., & Maurice Chester B:1898 Fulham, London & Barbara Herfy (age 16 )
1902 Barbara re-entered USA 24-1-02 on SS Celtic from Liverpool (Ellis Island records)
1917 Barbara Herfy married in Rochester, New York to William Liebeck B:1884
1919 George Liebeck B:1919 to William & Barbara Liebeck. (George died later in 1980)
19?? Marion Liebeck born to George & Barbara
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This is all the information I have so Far........ 
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