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Collages, A question for Restorers
« on: Tuesday 10 April 07 05:34 BST (UK) »
I have been trying to be clever and combine 8 head and shoulder cropped photographs into one picture for a specific purpose. This would give me 8 generations together.  I have done that part of it as well as I am able.

However, my question is - can unwanted shoulders etc be removed? When I have cropped I have sometimes got part of the shoulder of the next person inside the oval, and it spoils it rather. I imagine it could be removed but am not really sure. I don't want to ask for help with something that can't be done, so would appreciate advice.

.......dee
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Re: A question for Restorers
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 05:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Dee  Smiley

It can definitely be done.  What software are you using?  I use PHotoshop Elements, and if I was composing something like you've described, I would have each head in a different layer.  That means I can edit them all separately, and can use the eraser tool to remove anything I don't want.

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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 05:53 BST (UK) »
Thanks Prue. So it can be done. I only have Photostudio 200 and I have tried to do various things using the tools. Trouble is I don't really know what I am doing and my hands don't always do what I tell them. But I am always willing to have a go.

I know about layers - that's how I have put the 8 generations into one picture. .....dee
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Re: A question for Restorers
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 06:55 BST (UK) »
OK, so if you have the different layers, you should be able to edit each one separately.  I just looked on Google for some info about your software, and found the ArcSoft page that describes it, and shows some screen shots - I can see from those that there is an eraser tool, so you should easily be able to do what you want. 

All you would need to do is click on a layer, to select it for editing, and then click on the eraser tool - you might have to adjust the size etc. of the eraser, I like to use a blurred edge on my erasers so things don't look too sharp and "cut out". 

I would be interested to know how you get on  Smiley

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Re: A question for Restorers
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 07:04 BST (UK) »
I'm having a go Prue.    Shocked   Shocked   Shocked 

In one word at the moment I have to describe what is happening as "shaky"    Grin   Grin   Grin

Will keep you posted!

....dee
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Re: A question for Restorers
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 07:26 BST (UK) »
Right Prue - I have used the eraser and then the clone tool to fill the spaces - main problems I have are that the edges of the ovals now tend to have "wobbles" in them. And my poor daughter's arm looks distinctly lumpy.    Grin

However, for a first attempt I am reasonably satisfied.

Next question - if I worked with a copy of the original photo - and when I had removed and replaced the necessary bits, then I cropped the ovals to put in the layered picture - that should overcome the wobbly edges, shouldn't it?

.....dee
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Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp - Germany
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Re: A question for Restorers
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 08:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Dee,
Yep  Cheesy  Always easier to do everything you can on the original scan, then copy and paste into your new composition.
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 10:34 BST (UK) »
Much easier that way, Prue - although I still struggled with my stupid hands. (fingers that turn at weird angles don't always like doing fiddly things.   Grin  )

I am quite pleased with how the picture has turned out.  I now have a picture of 8 generations together, instead of two groups of 4. It is going to make a great card for my mother - one of the generations.

Many thanks for your help and encouragement.

.....dee
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Re: A question for Restorers
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 10:42 BST (UK) »
Have followed conversation with interest and managed to keep stum Lips Sealed Lips Sealed Lips Sealed, as Prue did a good job on her own Wink Wink Wink
However it would make a nice conclusion if you could post the final collage.  I for one am intrigued Cool 
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« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 10:50 BST (UK) »
OK Mudge - I guess Prue might like to see the results as well. I have actually done two. Here is the first one which was easier than the little "gallery" one that I did.

....dee

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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 10:53 BST (UK) »
And the one that really had me needing help......

.....dee

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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 11:15 BST (UK) »
That really is good, dee. I am in awe.
I can only go 5 generation in photos, but I've never thought of trying to put them together like that.
I'm thinking now...but I think I will only think...if you see what I mean  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 11:18 BST (UK) »
Wow, Dee  Shocked Grin  Fantastic job with both pics!  I don't think you needed my help at all  Tongue

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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 11:31 BST (UK) »
Oh yes I did Prue - you put me in the right direction of using the ersaser and then trying out some of the other tools. Good thing I always work on a copy of a photo, cos I made a few right big messups at times!    Grin   Grin   Grin

I did know about using layers-  a friend introduced me to that one day. It's the changing - restoration part that I don't know about - and don't really think I have steady enough hands for.

.....dee
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Redwood -Devon, Essex
Blades, Babb- Surrey
Selway, Churchill, Chappell - Somerset
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Re: A question for Restorers
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 10 April 07 11:36 BST (UK) »
Dee ...... wonderful work.  I do envy you ..... such wonderful photos.  Fantastic.

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