James and Tyler marriage lookup please

[DAVID WALTERS]

Can anyone find a marriage please for Elizabeth James and Walter Tyler. around 1890?

The only thing that I have to work on is a birth certificate for their child:
Edwin James Tyler
7 January 1891
Station Road, Llangennech, Loughor, Llanelly, Carm/Glam.
Father: Walter Tyler. Worker at Iron Foundry
Mother: Elizabeth Tyler (James)
Reported by: Martha Hinkin, present at the birth 17 Feb 1891.

I cannot see them myself on the 1891 census or a death for Elizabeth (maybe she died in childbirth). To be honest I cannot find all three, other then this birth.

Any offer please?

[lizdb]

The only Walter Tyler I can see in Wales in 1891 is in the workhouse in Llanwrst Denbighshire - age 41
RG12 4631 33 6
with a Frederick (possibly age 8, though unclear and indexed 85) and a William age 5

[DAVID WALTERS]

Thank you for your help.

Wonder if its him?

[Galium]

I can't see the marriage, but I thought it was worth looking for Martha Hinkin and found this:

Marriages December 1884
HINKIN    Edwin Thomas         Llanelly    11a   1325   
JAMES    Martha         Llanelly    11a   1325   

In 1891
Great Western Terrace, Llanelly

Edwin T Hinkin head     28     Tin man Iron works        Glamorgan, Ystabyfera [?]
*Margretta Hinkin wife 26                                            Glamorgan, Mountain Ash
Miriam G Hinkin daur 3                                                  Llangennech
Robert H Hinkin son 1                                                   Llangennech
Evelyn G S Hinkin daur 7m                                            Llangennech

Census ref:Class: RG12/ Piece: 4493/ Folio 114/ Page 32

*Image does read Margretta, but bear with me, I think she's Martha.

1881 census

"adjoining York Hotel" Llanelly

Margaret James head W  45    Charwoman                      Tredgroves, Cardigan
Elizabeth James daur 18  working in tin works    Maesteg, Glamorgan
Martha James   daur 16              working in pottery  Mountain Ash, Glamorgan
Margaret James daur 11 At school                            Mountain Ash, Glamorgan
Marim James daur       9  At School                            Mountain Ash, Glamorgan

Census ref:Class: RG11/ Piece: 5373/ Folio: 114/ Page: 5

So, considering the possibilty that Martha Hinkin is Elizabeth James/Tyler's sister, a search of the 1891 census for Elizabeth born in Maesteg c1863 shows up only one who is in Carmarthenshire:

Household of Thomas Thomas at 10 Bay View Terrace

Elizabeth Taylor servant M 19   General Servant        Maesteg, Glam

Can't see the Hinkin family in 1901 - although there is a probable marriage of one of the daughters in Pontypridd district in 1912, and Robert H Hinkin died in Llanelly district in 1963.

Edwin James Tyler isn't showing in 1891 - he isn't with (possible) grandmother Margaret James [Census ref:Class: RG12/ Piece: 4495/ Folio 75/ Page 27]

[Galium]

A little more digging shows that Mary Ann Thomas (who is aged 30 in 1891, and born in Maesteg), wife of Thomas who is Elizabeth Taylor's employer in 1891, is probably a sister of Martha and Elizabeth James.

1871 census

Llanwonno, Glamorgan
Simon James head M  Coal miner      Carmarthen, Egermont
Margaret James wife M                     Cardigan, Tregaron
John James son          15 Coal miner Maesteg
Mary Ann James daur  11                  Maesteg
Eliza James  daur         8                   Maesteg
Martha James daur    6                      Llanwonno
Rosanna James daur  4                     Llanwonno
Margaret James daur 2                     Llanwonno


Marriages September Q 1879
JAMES    MARY ANN    Llanelly    11a   793    
THOMAS    Thomas         Llanelly    11a   793   

Rosanna James married Peter Lay in 1888, and shows up in Llanelly in 1901 (indexed as Rosanna LEEF), but I cannot find them and their two eldest children Annie and Simon in 1891.

[DAVID WALTERS]

This is very interesting. Let me read it for a while.

[DAVID WALTERS]

You have worked hard on this. I can see the plot coming together now. More so with it leading back to Maesteg.

I don't know if you know the area of Maesteg but just outside of Maesteg is the village of Caerau, the home village of my grandmother, my mother and all the James family. I am trying to find the right Edwin Tyler James (my grandfather), and the family story that he was adopted or born out of wedlock, and there was a story about a name change. Edwin James Tyler becoming Edwin Tyler James.

If you want to read more of the story, see my other post on Edwin Tyler James.

Thank you for that, I find it very interesting.

[Morganllan]

Link to this thread to avoid duplication:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,497307.0.html

[Morganllan]

The only Walter Tyler I can see in Wales in 1891 is in the workhouse in Llanwrst

Perhaps we need to look for Walter Taylor in either Llanelli area or Bridgend area in 1891? It could have been written as it sounded, hence Tyler!