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Well, the mystery carrys on I suppose. The marriage certificate that I ordered is not the one for my ancestors. It had the wrong name of my grandfathers father. I am now thinking they may have married in Liverpool, as thomas davies b 1832 in Llanbedr is missing from the 1861 census. Their daughter was born 1863/4 and is listed on the 1871 census as being born in Llanrhydd, so between the 1851 census and the 1861 census Thomas Davies is missing. He was listed as a shoemaker in Ruthin aged 19 on the 1851 census, then appears again on the 1871 census married to Mary Jones born in Liverpool with the two children, and still listed as a shoemaker in Ruthin.

 I am wondering where to start with Mary Jones, as I have no idea where in Liverpool she is from, apart from being listed from Upton, Liverpool.  I can't find a marriage certificate with Thomas Davies and Mary Jones with Thomas Davies' father named Hugh Davies born in Llanbedr. They may have been married in Mary's home town, but lived in Llanrhydd. Their son was named as Robert Owens Davies born 1868, on his birth certificate, is it unusual to have an S on the end of Owen? I am wondering if it was her fathers name? Oh, well I'll just have to keep trawling the lists.

Llanfrwog is where Thomas' mother Jane was born. That sounds very likely to be them. I've been trawling Ancestry all day! I wonder why it isn't showing on there.

I'm a novice at this family tree building, but completely obsessed with putting it together.

 I've just had a look on the site you found it on, and now found it. Have you any idea if there would be more details on the original certificate, such as Mary's parents and place of birth? I am wondering if I would be able to order the certificate from Ruthin Town Hall, or maybe I could e-mail and ask for the details on the certificate?

Thank you ever so much for your help.

Hi, thanks, I have all that information in my tree, it is Thomas' wife Mary I am looking to find information about. I have searched for marriages about the time their daughter Mary Jane was born in 1864, who was my great great grandmother, but without a maiden name for her, have found it difficult.

On the 1901 census when looking for Robert O Davies, it has him still living with Mary his mother, and it states that she was born Upton Park, Liverpool. Her daughter Mary Jane had left the home by the time Robert was 12, and married an Alexander Glover in Runcorn. How she came to be living there I don't know, but assume she may have gone to live with relatives there maybe, and met her husband there I don't know.

Mary my third great grandmother is a mystery at the moment. I have just come across a Mary Owens on the 1841 census living in Birkenhead, Liverpool (which is near to Upton) in a house with a number of people living there. An Owens Pritchingle aged 60 b. Wales, with his wife Mary b. Ireland. A John and Mary Owens aged 40 and 46, with three children ages 15, 9 and Mary Owens aged 7 who may or may not be my third great grandmother.

Regards,

Karen

Hi, I have come to a complete stop on my family tree. My third great grandfather Thomas Davies born in Llanbedr abt 1832 he married a Mary ? b. abt 1834 who is listed on one of he census as birth place Upton Park, Liverpool. They had two children Mary Jane Davies b 1864 and Robert O Davies b.1869. Thomas was a shoemaker and they went onto live in ruthin. I know the descendants from their daughter Mary Jane, but have no idea where Thomas' wife Mary came from apart from what was on the census. I don't know what her maiden name was. I have tried to find a marriage certificate, without success has I haven't got Mary's maiden name, and don't know where they married. Can anyone help please?