daniel walker

[huey1]

Hi
i believe i may have posted this a few years ago but thought i would revisit this part of my family.
Hugh Jamieson Walker my grandfather b 18jun1876 Belfast,1901 census age 23 he is with his mother and sisters in Belfast ,on 12jun1905 he married  Eliz.Brown Christie in Dublin  the marriage cert shows him living on Church Road and Eliz on Fairfield Ave ,the 1911 census shows him back in Belfast with his own family including Daniel age 8 listed as born in Dublin, birth would have been about 1903 before the marriage ,the 1911 census also lists a daughter Deborah ,she was born 15sept1906 Dublin. District #1 east, North Dublin.Daniel died 1942 torpedoed when part of a convoy during WW2 I have purchased several birth records from Roscommon for Daniel using Family Search records but  no results, even though the birth was illiegitimite would it not have to be registered somewhere?maybe not if they were trying to hide the fact.any suggestions!! thx for any help

huey1

[aghadowey]

Here's a link to your previous topic- you gave Deborah's birth as 1905 not 1906- which is correct?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=301202.0

This topic also says Deborah born 1905 with a daughter Mary born Dec.1906.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=291411.0

Another topic looking for details of illegitimate births-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=303290.0

Another topic looking for the marriage-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=371805.0

[aghadowey]

New reply since I didn't want to mix this up with the links to all the previous topics.

Here are the Walker family in 1911 Belfast- Daniel ( and Deborah (5)- with parents married 6 years.

Why are you assuming that the children are illegitimate? Deborah was certainly born after the marriage and perhaps Daniel was the child of a relative Hugh & Elizabeth raised as their son.

Have you checked these Dublin births?
male Walker (Jan./Mar.1902) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBK6-9PP
Deborah Walker (July/Sept.1905) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBL6-1TL

However, there's a 1902 baptism for a Daniel Walker in Dublin- father Henry-
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/cd8ddc0273652
and in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Trinity/Georges_Quay/1310387

[taramcdsmall]

Hi Huey

Can I just ask . . . ?

Is it just the birth cert that you would like to have for your records OR is there help that you need with your tree that you are hoping that the birth cert will give you ?

Tara

[huey1]

Hi
I seem to have cause quite a bit of confusion with my posts over the years so let me try again.
Deborah's birth is 1905 not 1906 i believe i posted a correction on that and ii have her birth cert.
The daughter Mary b1906 is the younger sister of Deborah and i wasnt suggesting that Deborah was illegitimate only Daniel.
I have the 1911 census details for the family in Belfast.
i didnt see the 1902 baptisim for Daniel but i dont see that there would be any connection father Henry and mother Norah o'mahoney the census shows them as R.C.the Walker's were Presb.
Tara
I will order that birth record for "male Walker "in 1902 and see who the parents are.Daniel is the only child of Hugh Jamieson Walker and wife Eliz who's birth record i havent confirmed
Hope i'am not confusing everyone again,thx for the help

huey1

[taramcdsmall]

Hi Huey

Fingers Crossed that the 'male walker' record is for your chap.

I admire your determination to get all your paperwork in order.

If the record is not for Daniel then I fear that they may not have registered his birth.

It was still fairly common at the time for people not to register BDM regardless of legitimacy.

Tara

[huey1]

Hi Tara
Thanks for your encouragment,its so hard for us amateurs too find records in Ireland,if there was no record of their birth how would they be able to apply for any social services that they may need in the future or a passport if they wanted to go to another country,i guess they didnt think of those things at that time,will apply for that "male" birth today

huey1

[aghadowey]

By 1900s I would have thought that births would have been registered but sometimes the names are mis-transcribed in index or registered under a name other than the one later used.

For people born pre-registration (1864) there were church baptism records and census records (which were used for early claimants when the Old Age Pension was introduced c1908).

Until after WWI the average person didn't need a passport to travel to other countries so it wasn't a problem proving identity.

[huey1]

Hi aghadowey
Great info! ,is there an old age pension index that can be searched ?
huey1