Andy is giving excellent advice
I am probably becoming confuddled, or perhaps pedantic ... but some things are not quite stacking up, and it may be important to seek accuracy to actually gain access to any restricted documents... so may I pop some confuddlements here with some suggestions too.
Can anyone advice me how to get access to criminal records in SA.. My great great grandmother died in prison in 1941 in South Australia and I have tried various agencies in SA to gain access to her prison records... to no help from any agency other than ...." we don't keep prison records" Who does? and how to access them?
She actually did not die in prison. She was transferred from Adelaide Gaol to the hospital.
Would there be hospital records worth chasing up? Earlier but still current Thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=589162.0
Thank you all for your searches on my behalf.. I have her marriage to Adolphe that lists her surname as McPhillamy. However I have exhausted all Trove searches for her link with the McPhilliamy family. Does not exist and NSW BDM lists only Caroline Emma Mutton born 1861. There is a McPhillamy female child born in 1860 or 1861 ( going by memory) but that is stillborn so not her.
My grandfather and his brothers were all christened and named Carver ( but she never married him)
Frederick Byron Carver was my grandfather born in SA 1884
I have been told by SA Authorities that if I can provide the trail from me to her, then I can have access to the records..........Its the McPhillamy? part of the trail I don't know what to do with ??
Re the stillborn birth in NSW ...
do you have the NSW BDM civil registration for that? Is it ref # 3046/1860 ... Was the date 2 October 1860?
what info is on that document ... perhaps you could type it up?
who was the informant providing the info, and what relationship is noted on that document?
and
Do you have the birth cert # 4961, also 2 Oct 1860, also McPhillamy ... who was the informant, what relationship is noted on that document?
It is just that these two documents have slightly different info displayed at NSW BDM online index. The wee baby's mum is "Mary" on the death registration index and "Maria S" on the birth registration index. Perhaps technically suggesting two different children.... I find it unusual for the 1860s for a still birth to be included in the birth registrations, but perhaps as civil registration was so new, perhaps the Deputy Registrar at Bathurst did not have clear guidelines to follow.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/92403592 Chronicle 23 Jan 1941
Inquest on Madame Marval.
Caroline Emma MARVAL, widowed
Died 7 Jan 1941, aged 79 years,
Of Norwood, Adelaide
Notes Person died in an institution ie hospital,nursing facility or religious community
Deceased Husband Adolph Emille MARVAL
Registration no. 632/297
Re your Grandfather. You write that the name McPhillamy is on his Death Certificate, as being his Mum’s name. Is McPhillamy on any other document for your Grandfather, or for any of his siblings? From your Grandfather's marriage certificate, what information did he provide about his mother at that time? To me, that would be a more reliable document than his death certificate.
Cheers, JM
