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Re: Can't find anything on one of my Samuel Princes
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 15 September 16 14:36 BST (UK) »
Note".  Is this identical question being duplicated on Staffordshire and other boards?
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Re: Can't find anything on one of my Samuel Princes
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 15 September 16 14:43 BST (UK) »
Samuel & Elizabeth were married by licence.  Samuel was 24 & Elizabeth 22.  Both were said to be otp.  Witnesses were Daniel Moore & John Jackson.  Bondsman was John Jackson, farmer.

Samuel's baptism states Samuel & Elizabeth to be of Winshill.

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Re: Can't find anything on one of my Samuel Princes
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 15 September 16 16:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Tuggybear,

I have just merged your two duplicate posts together to avoid confusion and duplication.  If you wish to have your posts moved from one country to another please just click on the "report to moderator button" and we can move it for you ;)

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Re: Can't find anything on one of my Samuel Princes
« Reply #12 on: Friday 16 September 16 08:21 BST (UK) »
Just to add that the Marriage Bond says that Elizabeth is of Winsel in the parish of BoT, and that Samuel is a Labourer.

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Re: Can't find anything on one of my Samuel Princes
« Reply #13 on: Friday 16 September 16 12:46 BST (UK) »
Hi all, sorry about the confusion, I didn't realise my post could be moved to the Staffordshire board so posted a separate entry. Thank you Sarah for moving it and combining the two posts. :-[
Thanks for the replies Jomot and BumbleB, it is still possible that the Samuel and Elizabeth who married in Burton-upon-Trent are my Samuel and Elizabeth but I think I need to do a good deal more searching. I need to find their deaths or any other children, I think, to help eliminate them completely or keep them in the frame.
Thanks again.  :)
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Re: Can't find anything on one of my Samuel Princes
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 27 September 16 11:59 BST (UK) »
Still trying to tie in Samuel Prince and Elizabeth Tromley, Tramley or Twomley with my Atherstone Prices I have searched Ancestry and Family Search to find the births of the couple who married in Burton-upon-Trent on 11th March 1763 as I think their first-born child, Samuel born two months after this marriage, is my Samuel who married Sarah Betridge in Mancetter on 21st September 1789.
I can't find a suitable birth in Winsel or Windshill in Burton-upon-Trent for Elizabeth though there are several Staffordshire births that could be the right Elizabeth. The following two seemed the most likely.

Elizabeth Twamley Bapt: 17.5.1735 Wombourne
Elizabeth Twomley or Hill Bapt: 24.8.1735 Hamstall, Ridware, Staffordshire

For Samuel Senior, the only birth I can find is the 1739 birth in Wmobourne.

Can anyone find another Samuel or Elizabeth who might be more likely to be the ones in my tree? I'm also looking for a missing son of theirs. William Prince was buried in Mancetter on 5th May 1771 but I can't find a birth for him in Mencetter nor can I find him in Merevale or Burton-upon-Trent. It seems he would have been born between 1763 and 1770 although he could have been born before Samuel and Elizabeth married. :)
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Re: Can't find anything on one of my Samuel Princes
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 27 September 16 15:24 BST (UK) »
You may already have this info;

BAPTISMS;
Independant Chapel, Atherstone, Warwickshire;
PRINCE;
ANN, 29 June 1817, 1st Child
JOSEPH, 7 May 1821, 3rd Child
HENRY, 13 Nov 1826, 4th Child (Birth 7 Feb 1823)
GEORGE, 13 Nov 1826, 5ths Child (Birth 22 Aug 1826)
JOHN, 29 June 1830, 6th Child
HANNAH, 22 May 1832, 7th Child
SARAH, 22 Oct 1834, 8th Child
WILLIAM, 8 Jan 1837, 9th Child
Parents SAMUEL or SAML and MARY Prince, nee FOX, Samuels Occp Hatter

All have this extra info;
Samuel s/o Samuel Prince (Hatter of Atherstone) & Sarah: Mary Ann d/o George Fox (Bricklayer of Atherstone) & Hannah

SARAH Prince is in the Union Workhouse in Mancetter in 1841 Census age 70
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Re: Can't find anything on one of my Samuel Princes
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 27 September 16 15:55 BST (UK) »
Sorry to sideline this but I cant find Mary Fox's Baptism but have several Siblings for her.

Mass Baptism, Independant Chapel, Atherstone
17 October 1802;
WILLIAM Fox, Birth 26 June 1798, 4th Child
HANNAH Fox, Birth 28 June 1801, 6th Child
HENRY Fox, Birth 10 Oct 1802, 7th Child
Parents GEORGE/HANNAH Fox, nee SIMMONS, Fathers Occp Bricklayer

Extra info, so another generation;
George s/o George BAKER (Baker of Atherstone) & Ann FOX: Hannah d/o Joseph Simmons (Stuff Weaver of Coventry) & Mary
(looks to me that George Baker and Ann Fox werent married)

All above on FreeREG as was previous info.

Familysearch has George FOX/Hannah SIMMONS Marriage 1 May 1792, Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwickshire
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Re: Can't find anything on one of my Samuel Princes
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 27 September 16 15:59 BST (UK) »
Great stuff, trish; well found.

Josey
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