Ellen / Helen Bain

[MonicaL]

Good find, Dorrie  Not sure where he was for 1911 though.

Monica

[dowdstree]

Nothing matching under the surname of Bain Monica so I tried Smith.

The census is for Glenrinnes, Aberlour.

William Tennant age 58 widower farmer employer born Aberlour
Maggie Tennant age  25 daughter
James Tennant  age  65 brother working on farm
Helen Cameron  age  9 months grandaughter
James Stewart   age 14 servant
James Smith     age  10 servant crossed out to read Boarder born Dufftown.

Was this the same William Tennant who was the father of baby William Tennant Bain? Looks very likely.

Dorrie

[Alan Young]

Hi there, John Myron was my father,he passed away in 1967 in New Zealand after we emigrated in 1958,I knew he had a brother (my uncle ) but I never met him,I can vaguely remember my Grandmother ,Ellen /Helen Bain living with us for a very short time , early fifties, as she was on her way south ,I think to live with either a daughter or her Sister, a few years ago I asked my Mother ,who has since passed on , who my dads parents were she said , Morris Myron and Ellen Bain. I can imagine at that time 1910/1913 in a small village such as Dufftown,children born out of wedlock were frowned upon! anyway it was only very recently through my daughters efforts that I found out my Dad and his brother were born out of wedlock , if you want to get in touch you can get me at ^(*)

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[dowdstree]

Hi Alan,

A warm welcome to Rootschat.

That is an amazing piece of information that you have given this morning, thank you. It could be possible then that Ellen/Helen died in New Zealand. Out of curiosity what was your dad's brother's first name?

I am sure that Kirsty Edwards will be back on here soon and see your post.

Dorrie

Edit - Misread information, sorry - take out my reference to Ellen/Helen dying in New Zealand.

[Forfarian]

There is a death of an Ellen Bain, aged 91, registered in Dover in the March quarter of 1964. This would fit with her travelling 'south' but not necessarily emigrating. Alan, where were you living when she visited you before you emigrated?

[dowdstree]

Forfarian great find.

The death would tie in with her son William Tennant Bain marrying and dying in Dover as per previous posts on this thread. Also her age.

You can't get further south than Dover.

Hope that Alan can confirm where he was living in the early 1950's.

Dorrie

[Forfarian]

Think this nails it:

Bain Ellen of 5 Ado Road Dover spinster died 27 December 1963 at the Royal Victoria Hospital Dover. Probate London 28 January 1964 to William Tennant Bain fitter British Railways. [Calendar of Probate]

[Alan Young]

Hi yes I think that your correct Ellen traveled south to Dover to live with William  ,her eldest son,he William ,was a war hero the recipient of the DCM  only the Victoria cross was higher ,it really was sad that I never knew him ,but oh well that's life ,Kirsty will be pleased as she is really into family history,shes my daughter and is married and lives in Kansas USA .

Regards Alan

[MonicaL]

Welcome to RootsChat from me too, Alan 

Thank you for joining in here. This has been such an interesting thread and we are all pleased we seem to have got to the answer for the original question of where did Ellen die. Your new details certainly help here in confirming what we were finding about the family in general.

I suppose the only outstanding question I have is what happened to the first son we found for Ellen, James Smith Bain. Dorrie, great find for 1911 for young James working at the farm of William Tennant.

Not the easiest name to trace though, a James Smith 

Monica