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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: bougie on Friday 19 January 07 22:27 GMT (UK)
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I have a very old book entitled Hawick and the Great War 1914-1919
which belonged to my grandfather. It contains the names [and in most
cases a picture ] of every Hawick man that fought in WW1 even if they no
longer lived in the town .There is a little bit about where they fought [and in
a lot of cases died],their regiment,their family and their home address at
the time of the war.
If anyone would like me to look up any of their family in it i would be glad to
oblige.
bougie.
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Hi Boogie,
If you can find any information on my grandfather John Learmonth dob 19/03/1896 at 52 Loan (I think), Hawick and served with the KOSB at gallipoli.
I have not used this site before so don't know if you need an email address or slowmail address.
Thanks in anticipation
bry-l
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Hi bry-l
Welcome to Roots Chat. I'm sure you will find it very helpful when trying
to trace your family. I have. There's always someone willing to help if
they can .
The bad news is that i can't find your grandfathers name in this book
although that does not mean that he isn't pictured as some of the pictures
are of full battallions or regiments. The people who compiled this book
did so to the best of their ability and appologise for any omissions.
[It was written just after the war].
Can you tell me his exact regiment and battalion.
I found this in the 1901 census.
19 Howegate Hk
Adam Learmonth 30 Wood carter b. Hawick
Janet " " 31 b.Hawick
John " " 5 b. Hawick
If this is the correct one they lived directly across the road from my
grandfathers family.[The houses are still there]. My late father was born
there in 1920 and my mother was also brought up in that area and she
can remember this family.
bougie
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bry-l
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bougie
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Hi Bougie,
could you please check for any mention of 3 Huggan family members I am researching, killed in the Great War.
John Huggan husband of Wihelmina Parker,father Thomas Huggan,mother Jessie Douglas.
William Huggan, John's brother.
James Jeffrey Huggan,husband of Isabella Clark,father John Huggan,mother Mary Welsh.
James J Huggan was a cousin of John and William Huggan.
I believe William and James lived in Hawick and John had immigrated to Canada.
Thanks for any help,
Amanda,
Canada.
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Hi Amanda
Found as follows; Private John Huggan of the Canadians, reported
to have died from wounds recieved in action. Son of the late Thomas
Huggan, dyehouse worker, Hawick, and brother of George Huggan
10 Bright street. The deceased's wife and child live in North Vancouver.;
Private W Huggan K.O.S.B. Youngest son of the late Thomas Huggan
dyehouse worker 1 Allars Bank was officially reported to have died
from wounds. The chaplain writing to the relatives said "I can truly
state he died a little hero. It is a great sacrafice you and he have made
but i encourage you with the thought that he gave his life for God and
the right and what we pay now will be made up to us a thousand fold
hereafter.;
Gunner J Huggan R.G.A. who died of wounds on 5th November 1918
,was employed as a frameworker-knitter at Messrs A P Innes prior to
enlisting. His wife and two children reside at 8 Gladstone Street.
There are pictures of Private John Huggan and Gunner J Huggan but
none of Private W Huggan.
At the back of the book is the roll of honour of the men who made the
great sacrafice; Huggan Pte W, K.O.S.B, age 19 youngest son of the
late Thomas Huggan 1 Bright Street.;Huggan Pte John, Canadians,
son of the late Thomas Huggan.;Huggan Gunner James J ,.R.G.A.,
8 Gladstone st , son of Mr John Huggan, 1 Drumlanrig Square, age 30;
There is one more Huggan in the book a son of a William Huggan.
Let me know if you need that one
If you want copies of the photos let me know. I don't have a scanner
but i may be able to get my son to scan them and send them to my
computer.
bougie
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I am unable to give you precise details of Armstrong relatives who could have served in WW1 from Hawick as I only have details up to the 1901 census as our branch migrated to OZ from Hawick in the 1880s. I could not find any deaths on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission for these realtives. But if it is not too much trouble are there any details for the following:
John A# son of Thomas & Christina of 9 Wellogate Place, Hawick
(there are older brothers - David, William Thomas)
Henry Telfer son of Henry Telfer and Jane Stewart Armstrong, of 5 Howegate Hawick.
(I see that you have an interest in Armstrongs from Canonbie. Above Armstrongs arrived in Hawick from Canonbie etc by the 1881 census)
Thank you. Gazania
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Hi Bougie,
thank you very much for the quick response,
I am interested in the other Huggan you mentioned, a son of William Huggan,
could you send the entry whenever you have time please, I have not come across him before,
Also is there any mention of Mark F Crozier,age 26yrs,KOSB,killed 1918, son of Archibald Crozier?
I think he is connected to the Crozier family I am researching.
Thank you,
Amanda.
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Hi gazania
Not much luck. Nearest is KILLED IN ACTION , PTE JOHN ARMSTRONG
BROTHER OF MRS E C SCOTT;; MISSING IN ACTION, PTE JOHN ARMSTRONG
5th CAMERON HIGHLANDERS;;
Then there's a LCE CPL WILLIAM A# SON OF WILLIAM A#
SAPPER THOMAS A# SON OF WILLIAM A#
SGT JOHN A# SON OF FRANK A#
LIEUT LESLIE A# SON OF THOMAS A#
There are other Armstrongs but no name matches;
Telfers are, ROBERT T# SON OF T. K. TELFER; JAMES T# SON OF
WILLIAM T# ; ADAM T# SON OF ANDREW T#; and JAMES T# SON OF
GILBERT T#.
If any of these are of any interest let me know.
Ilive in Hawick so if i can help with anything else let me know.
My Armstrong interests are WILLIAM and SARAH A# MS CHAMBERS
married Canonbie 1804. Their dau Janet married Robert Mcvittie
Wish i could have been more help to you.
bougie
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Hi Amanda
SGT J HUGGAN 167th A.T.co, R.E;WHO WAS AWARDED THE D.C.M.
IS THE SON OF THE LATE WILLIAM HUGGAN, DAMSIDE, HAWICK AND
IS MARRIED TO ONE OF THE MISSES PRINGLE, VICTORIA TEMPERENCE
HOTEL, HK, . HE ENLISTED IN 1915 WHEN HE CAME ACROSS FROM
CALIFORNIA AND AFTER TRAINING PROCEEDEDTO EGYPT AND
SUBSEQUENTLY TO FRANCE.[no picture].
Also noticed ;PRISONER OF WAR, HUGGAN CPL W. CAMERON HIGHLANDERS
Also; KILLED IN ACTION; CROZIER SGT MARK. K.O.S.B. 3 CARNARVON ST
HAWICK [no picture] I'm afraid thats all it says about Mark Crozier.
Hope this all helps
bougie
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Dear Bougie,
You have been a great help. The book contains some very interesting and poignant information about Hawick people who wished to remember the men of WW1.
I am waiting on the 1911 census to see what happened to our Armstrongs in Hawick, but then they may have migrated. Perhaps I may have more precise information for a search in the book.
Our Armstrongs start with Thomas A# of Wamphray who married Margaret Lawson of Canonbie in 1814. They had 7 children. Two daughters, Jessie and Mary, choosing to keep the Armstrong name going, had between them 7 children mostly girls. Jessie and Mary and their offspring were living in Hawick by the 1881 census. One of Jessie's sons, Adam A#, migrated to OZ in the mid 1880s. Thank you for your offer of help with Hawick information. I'll get thinking. Again thank you very much. Gazania
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Hi Bougie,thank you again for the info, I have not been able to ID SGT J Huggan yet,he could be either John,James or even Jared, I will check the CWGC site again and try to find his marriage to Miss Pringle.
Will post if I find anything further,
Amanda.
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Hi Bougie,
I found the marriage of John Huggan to Jane Pringle,1915, he was the son of Thomas Huggan and Mary Stott, he would have been a grandson of William Huggan of Damside and therefore a second cousin of the Huggan men we already discussed, was Sgt John Huggan,D.C.M, killed in WW1? I did not find him on the CWGC website,
thank you again,
Amanda.
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Hi Amanda
Sgt J Huggan D.C.M seems to have survived the war as far
as i can tell.
Cprl W. Huggan [prisoner of war] of the Cameron Highlanders
aslo survived.
bougie
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I wonder if you could look up my grandmother's first husband who was called George Scott and originated from Hawick? We know he died in 1917 but are not sure which regiment he was in or even whether or not he could have been a conscientious objector who was nevertheless sent to the field of war. Thank you!
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Hi hmg
There are a few George Scotts in the book that died in 1917
Have you any more info on him? You say he originated from Hawick.I take it
he had moved from the town before he enlisted.
There is one from Canada . Do you know his fathers name or the exact date
he died?
Also found a Driver George Scott from Alloa.
bougie
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Hi, Bougie, Thanks for the very prompt reply. We know he had been living in Alloa, (and prior to that in Inverleithen) and we think, working for the Co-op. He married my grandmother, Helen Munro, at the end of 1915. However, the 'Driver' doesn't ring any bells, and, unfortunately, we don't have his exact date of death. hmg
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Hi hmg
This must definately be the one.
DRIVER GEORGE SCOTT OF THE R.F.A. KILLED IN ACTION ON 7thJUNE 1917
ELDER SON OF MR WILLIAM SCOTT, 3 WEENSLAND ROAD, HAWICK
BEFORE ENLISTING HE WAS EMPLOYED WITH SAUCHIE CO-OPERATIVE
SOCIETY, ALLOA, HAVING PREVIOUSLY SERVED AN APPRENTICESHIP WITH
HAWICK CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY. ANOTHER SON, WILLIAM WAS KILLED AT
GALLIPOLI ON 12th JULY 1915.
Then i found
THE FOLLOWING WERE REPORTED KILLED IN THE FIGHTING AT THE
DARDANELLES ON 12th JULY 1915-------
including
PRIVATE WILLIAM SCOTT SON OF MR WILLIAM SCOTT 3 WEENSLAND RD,
HAWICK. HE IS 23 YEARS OF AGE.
Then i found
PRIVATE ROBERT SCOTT K.O.S.B. REPORTED KILLED WHILE WORKING
AMONGST SALVAGE WAR MATERIAL. HE IS THE YOUNGEST SON OF MR AND
AND MRS W SCOTT 3 WEENSLAND RD WHO HAVE LOST ALL THREE OF
THEIR SONS, GEORGE, WILLIAM AND ROBERT, IN THE WAR.
PRIVATE R SCOTT WAS PRIOR TO ENLISTMENT, IN THE FISH DEPARTMENT
OF THE HAWICK CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY AND WAS 22 YEARS OF AGE.
Roll of Hawick men who made the great sacrafice has
SCOTT DRIVER GEORGE R.F.A SON OF MR W SCOTT 3 WEENSLAND RD.AGE 29
SCOTT PTE ROBERT K.O.S.B. SON OF MR W SCOTT 3 WEENSLAND RD. AGE 22
SCOTT PTE WILLIAM 1/4th K.O.S.B SON OF MR WILLIAM SCOTT 3 WEENSLAND
RD, AGE 23
In another book which shows where they are buried i have
ROBERT SCOTT 3 WEENSLAND RD 19/9/18 VIELLE CHAPELLE NEW[F]
WILLIAM SCOTT 3 WEENSLAND RD 12/7/15 HELLES MEMORIAL[T]
and it has
GEORGE SCOTT 6/6/17 4 UNION ST 6/6/17 VLAMERTINGHE NEW CEM
It has them marked as being brothers but the address is different and
the date is one day out. Could be a mistake.
bougie
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Thank you so much - this has filled in a lot of detail which makes other things make sense now. We are virtually sure this is the correct one. hmg
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Hi hmg
Forgot to say that there are pictures of all three brothers.
If you would like them I could get my pal to scan them and send them
to my computer then i could foreward them to you if you can send me a
private message with your e-mail address.
bougie
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Hi there,
What a fabulous site. Have just started tracing the Scottish bit of our family tree and what do I find but you chatting about my husband's great grandfathers brother - John Huggan, father Thomas Huggan, mother Jessie Douglas. Bougie you mention that you have a photo of him - would you be able to send me a copy please and any more info it has about him- it would be fabulous to show his great niece.
Thank you so much in anticipation.
Hollis
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Hi Hollis
Welcome to roots chat. Yes this is a great site. I have had help from many
people in many different parts of the country in tracing my family tree.
In regards to the photo you would like, thats no problem but i will have to
get my pal to scan it and send it to my computer first. May take about a week.
I have recieved your email address.
bougie
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Thank you so much Bougie,
I can't wait it will be fabulous to put a face to one of the many names in our tree.
H
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Hello Bougie,
If you wouldn't mind, could you look up Sgt. Frank Walker of the Royal Fusiliers. He ended up marrying a German girl in Cologne in 1922 and went on to be Vice-Consul at the British Consulate in Zurich. His brother was John Henry Walker, my grandfather. They may have lived at 1 Laing Terrace, Hawick.
Also John Nelson, my grandmothers brother may have been at the Somme. His mum and dad were Robert and Margaret Nelson of 5 Garfield Street.
Bougie, I want to say on behalf of everyone who has taken advantage of your kind generosity...a very hearty THENKS LAD !!!!
Regards Hawickborn.
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Hi Hollis
I'm sorry that you haven't recieved your photo yet. My friend was ill [better now] Then i had family issues [also okay now] Then computer problems[seems
to be working okay now] . Your picture will be on its way in the next week.
sorry again
bougie
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Hi Hawickborn[were you born here?]
Sorry its taken so long to reply. I've had a few probs.
The bad news is none of the names you mentioned are in the book.
There can be reasons for this such as the book was published so quickly
after the war that a few names were missed or the families didn't notify them,
or other reasons. Only a few were omitted and its bad luck that both of yours
were. There are other Walkers and Nelsons in there are others in your family
that served.
So sorry
bougie
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Hello Bougie,
Thank you for looking the Nelson and Walker soldiers for me. I just happened upon your post one day. Your book seems to be a pretty interesting one.
My grandmother Walker,(nee Nelson), only had one brother, John, and we have no records of her father being at war. Granny's brother-in-law, Frank, went on to be vice-consul for the British Embassy in Zurich.
Yes, I was born and raised in Hawick. We left when Beeching closed the railway line in 1969, my late dad worked for BR as a signalman. After hemming and hawing about emigrating to Canada or Australia, dad decided that he wanted to be close to Hawick. I think I ended up doing all the travelling for him !
Still have a few family members there, and I try to get back often....bit o' a trek from the Yukon !!!
Thanks again Bougie and keep up the good work.
Glad to hear everything has settled down for you now.
Cheers Sandra.
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Hi Bougie,
Hope all is well now. Thanks for letting me know. Looking forward to seeing the picture all the more now because I have found his signing up papers and more details of his address etc in Canada. This family ancestry is incredibly additictive and rewarding!.
Regards
Hollis
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Hi Bougie,
I wonder if you could look up my grandfather's uncle in your book. He was Richard Musgrave, son of Rebecca Musgrave. He was living in Hawick in 1891 at Slitry Hard (does that sound right?), and the family lived there ever after. He was born in 1886. He was in a Canadian Infantry Battalion and he was killed in action in 1917.
If you are able to find them, it would be great.
Thanks,
Stephanie
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Hi Stephanie
I think this may be the one though the address is different.
SERGT RICHARD MUSGRAVE, CANADIANS , WHO WAS AWARDED THE MILITARY
MEDAL FOR BRAVERY IN THE FIELD.
HE IS THE SON OF MRS MUSGRAVE, 21 DRUMLANRIG SQUARE, HAWICK, AND
PRIOR TO GOING TO CANADA WAS IN THE EMPLOYMENT OF MR ATKINSON,
AUCTIONEER.
A COMRADE OF THE DECEASED WRITING TO MRS MUSGRAVE SAID-;
"YOUR BOY WAS ONE OF THE BEST THAT EVER WAS CONNECTED TO THE
REGIMENT. OUT OF THE TRENCHES OR ON PARADE HE WAS ALL THAT A SOLDIER SHOULD BE. HE WAS SMART , KEEN, AND CHEERFUL, AND CARRIED
WITH HIM THE FRIENDSHIP OF ALL WHO CAME IN CONTACT WITH HIM.
HE WAS A BRAVE BOY FEARLESS AND ALWAYS ENCOURAGING OTHERS
TO DO WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS RIGHT, AND HE DIED AT THE HEAD OF THE
PARTY HE WAS IN CHARGE OF. YOUR SON WAS ONE OF THE "TERIES" WHO
HAVE DONE SUCH SPLENDID WORK, AND WHO HAVE LAID DOWN THEIR
LIVES FOR THEIR COUNTRY AND ITS CAUSE".
There is a photo of him also.
Hope this is the right one
bougie
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Bougie,
Yes, it is the right one. The address is correct. I meant they lived in Hawick ever after, not at Slitry Hard. That's terrific. I would love to see the photo if possible.
Thanks so much,
Stephanie
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Bougie,
Is there anything in your wonderful book on the name ADAM WALDIE ,former lad from Hawick but resided in BC Canada.His parents were Margaret and Robert Waldie.
Killed in action in 1918.He was my great Uncle.
Many thanks in advance.
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Hi
Not to steal Bougie's thunder but there were many G Scott's killed in WW1-I have attached a possibility for you taken from commonwealth war graves website-any connection?
Name: SCOTT
Initials: G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Driver
Regiment/Service: Royal Field Artillery
Unit Text: 55th Div. Ammunition Col.
Age: 29
Date of Death: 06/06/1917
Service No: 656447
Additional information: Son of William and Elizabeth Scott; husband of Helen Brown Scott, of 7, Union St., Hawick, Roxburghshire. Native of Hawick.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. A. 31.
Cemetery: VLAMERTINGHE NEW MILITARY CEMETERY
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Yes, this is the same one - although there is a discrepancy of one day in the date of death. Helen Scott was my maternal grandmother - although Brown was the name of her second husband ie my grandfather (so I'm not sure why that later name would have been given too). Thank you! hmg
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Hi there, i was wondering if you could tell me if thee was any Burnets in the book. I have recently found a branch of my family tree in Hawick and their surname was Burnet and they lived at langsyde, hawick
Thankyou, caroline
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Hi
I would be very grateful if you could please check to see if there were any Park's listed. My Grandfather John Park served with the Australian Forces but he still had brothers living in the Hawick area.
Many Thanks
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Hi
Could you please check your book for the Bishop & Park families for me.
Many Thanks
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Bougie
If it is not too much trouble please can you look up the following in your book
James Haldane Graham,
John Graham and
Thomas Graham.
They were brothers and all members of the 1st Btn Black Watch. Sons of Lance Cpl Thomas Graham of 4 Drumlanrig Square.
James died in a Clearing Station in Pernes in 1918.
I believe that their brother in law Sgt Alex McGuire who died in 1914 was also from Hawick
Thank you for your help
Bernadette
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Hi Ajjbc
Sorry but there is only one Waldie in the book and thats a Joseph Waldie
if thats any relation i will give you farther details.
bougie
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Hi Caroline
Only Burnet in book is Private James Burnet son of John Burnet. Any good?
bougie
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Hi Vaberna
Sorry no Bishops but there's one James Park son of Mrs Park 10 Loan If you're
interested i will give you farther details.
bougie
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hI bernadette
Here's your boys.
PRIVATE JAMES HALDANE GRAHAM, ROYAL HIGHLANDERS, WHO DIED AT CASUALTY CLEARANCE STATION ON 11TH JULY 1918, OF BRONCHO-PNEUMONIA
, WAS 26 YEARS OF AGE, AND THE SECOND SON OF MR AND MRS TOM GRAHAM, 4 DRUMLANRIG SQUARE. A REGULAR SOLDIER ,HE WAS ONE OF THREE BROTHERS[ALL IN THE BLACK WATCH] WHO WERE IN THE FIRST BRITISH EXPEDITIONARY FORCE TO FRANCE. PRIOR TO JOINING THE ARMY HE WAS EMPLOYED AS A BOARDER WITH MESSRS PETER SCOTT AND CO LTD. THEIR
FATHER IS A VETERAN SOLDIER, HAVING SERVED TWENTY FIVE YEARS IN THE BLACK WATCH.[ There is a picture which i may be able to send at a later date]
There is also a picture of the three brother together under the heading
THREE BROTHERS AT THE FRONT . It says Thomas Graham, John Graham,
James Graham. Sons of Mr T Graham, commissionare,4 Drumlanrig Square. They are all in the Black Watch.
Then SERGEANT A C MCQUIRE,,BLACK WATCH, WHO WAS KILLED IN ACTION ON 24TH OCTOBER, 1914. HE WAS 32 YEARS OF AGE. SERGEANT MCQUIRE WAS A SON-IN-LAW OF MR THOS GRAHAM, 4 DRUMLANRIG SQUARE HAWICK.[There
is a picture of him also].
bougie
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Bougie,
Yes, that is them... Thank you so much for taking the time for looking them up for me.
You are most kind.
May I trouble you, to look up one last family member in your book please
Private - John Irving Wright Graham (Cameronians - Scottish Rifles) - Killed in Action - 23 March 1918 - aged 20 years
Parents - James Kennedy Graham and Catherine Wright.
This John Graham was the 1st Cousin of the Graham Brothers in your previous look-up.
Kind Regards
Bee Mack
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Hi,
Is this the book written by Derek Robertson? If not can you provide some further details of author, publisher etc. Many thanks.
Iain Kennedy
Glasgow
www.kennedydna.com/kennedy_one_name_study.htm (http://www.kennedydna.com/kennedy_one_name_study.htm)
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Hi Bee Mack
Think this is the right one.
PTE JOHN GRAHAM, SCOTTISH RIFLES, KILLED IN ACTION ON 23RD MARCH, 1918,SECOND SON OF MR JAMES K GRAHAM AND MRS GRAHAM , 9 O'CONNEL STREET. HE WAS 20YEARS OF AGE. PREVIOUS TO ENLISTING HE WAS EMPLOYED WITH MESSRS TURNBULLS LTD; AND WAS A MEMBER OF HAWICK EX SOLDIERS PIPE BAND.[ There is also a picture of him]
bougie
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Hi iain
No it's not Dereks book. this one was written in 1920 and is mostly a pictorial
record of Hawick men who fought in WW1.
It is not available in the shops and i don't think there are many copies of it left.
Our local museum has one.
It was published by Vair and Mcnairn at the local Hawick news office in 1920.
I am led to believe that it was put together by local men , wanting some sort of rememberance for all the brave men of Hawick who fought in the war.
bougie
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Hi again Iain
I've just had a look at your brilliant Kennedy site. There are six Kennedys
in this book if you are interested.
bougie
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Hi Bougie,
I am going to the National Library tomorrow so I'd been hoping I could find it in their catalogue. Its a shame if a copy wasn't deposited there. I've been through all 351 books with the word Hawick in the title and haven't seen it.
If its not too much trouble I'd be interested to see the refs. There were quite a few Kennedys in Hawick including a family of booksellers whose tree I have done quite a bit of research into.
Iain Kennedy
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Hi Iain
Here are your Kennedys
PRIVATE AITCHISON W. KENNEDY 1ST ROYAL HIGHLANDERS[BLACK WATCH]
WHO DIED FROM WOUNDS ON THE 16TH SEPTEMBER 1914. PRIVATE KENNEDY WAS A SON OF EX BAILLIE KENNEDY, AND RESIDED AT 3 SLITRIG CRESCENT.
CAPT. AND ADJT. JAS KENNEDY OF THE BLACK WATCH WHO HAS HAD A DISTINGUISHED MILITARY CAREER. HE WAS RAISED FROM THE RANKS IN DECEMBER 1914, AND WAS ALSO AWARDED THE DISTINGUISHED CONDUCT MEDAL " FOR CONSPICUOUS GALLANTRY AND DASH ON 23RD AND 24TH NOVEMBER, 1914, IN VOLUNTARILY ASSISTING IN THE LEADING OF PARTIES OF THE 58TH VAUGHANS RIFLES, WHICH RESULTED IN RECAPTURE OF THE ENEMIES TRENCHES". ON SEPT 17TH 1015, CAPT KENNEDY WAS RECIEVED BY THE KING AT BUCKINGHAM PALACE AND DECORATED WITH THE MILITARY CROSS. CAPT KENNEDY IS A NATIVE OF HAWICK, AND A SON OF EX BAILLIE
JAMES A KENNEDY. 1 WEENSLAND ROAD HAWICK. [ There is also another big write up which i will send if you need it]
PRIVATE R. PRINGLE KENNEDY OF THE 20TH CANADIANS, WHO WAS WOUNDED IN THE NECK. HE IS GRANDSON OF MRS PRINGLE, 4 DOVECOTE STREET, AND BEFORE THE WAR, WAS WORKING IN CANADA.
PTE JOHN KENNEDY OF THE K.O.S.B. [ MACHINE GUN SECTION] OFFICIALLY REPORTED TO HAVE BEEN KILLED IN ACTION, IS A SON OF MR ALEX KENNEDY, AND GRANDSON OF MR JAMES KENNEDY, 22 LOTHIAN STREET, HAWICK. HE HAD BEEN UNDER ARMS SINCE AUGUST 1914, WAS WOUNDED AT THE DARDANELLES
ON THE 12TH JULY 1915, AND IN CIVIL LIFE WAS A HOSIERY WORKER WITH MESSRS A. P. INNES AND CO, HOSIERY MANUFACTURERS. THE DECEASED WAS 24 YEARS OF AGE.
PRIVATE ANDREW KENNEDY ,ROYAL SCOTS , WHO RECIEVED A GUNSHOT WOUND IN THE RIGHT SIDE ON MAY 8TH 1916. HE IS ASON OF MRS KENNEDY, 25 HIGH STREET, AND WAS IN THE ARMY PRIOR TO THE WAR. PRIVATE KENNEDY HAD BEEN IN THE FIGHTING LINE FOR 20 MONTHS BEFORE BEING WOUNDED. HE WAS AT ONE TIME EMPLOYED IN MESSRS JOHN FORBES NURSERIES. HIS BROTHER STEPHEN, IS IN THE ROYAL FIELD ARTILLERY.
PRIVATE ANDREW KENNEDY ,ROYAL SCOTS, WHO WAS POSTED AS MISSING ON 28TH MARCH 1918, AND WHOSE MOTHER, MRS KENNEDY, 25 HIGH STREET, RECIEVED A LETTER FROM HIM SAYING THAT LUCKILY HE MANAGED TO ESCAPE THROUGH THE GERMAN LINES, AND HE ADDED;-" I AM NOT SORRY BEING BACK IN MY OWN LINES ONCE MORE. I HAVE HAD SOME EXCITING EXPERIENCES"
PRIOR TO ENLISTING, PRIVATE KENNEDY WAS IN THE EMPLOYMENT OF MESSRS FORBES, BUCCLEUCH NURSERIES. HE IS 21YEARS OF AGE. MRS KENNEDY HAD TWO OTHER SONS IN THE ARMY.
The book title is Hawick And The Great War 1914-1919. I found my one among
my grandfathers old stuff. I think it belonged to his father.
bougie
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Thanks very much. I had some data already on the first group, their father James died in 1918 and the son James you mention was then living at 7 Slitrig Crescent and was a Lt-Col in the 13th Welsh Regiment. Aitchison had managed to get married in Aug 1913 so I guess its unlikely they had time to raise a child before he went off.
I have the Pringle group too, Mary Pringle's husband James Kennedy died very young in 1897 from TB. His father James is buried in Wellogate and I have a picture of the gravestone, he died in 1929 (32 years after the son).
John I only have from the cwgc data, haven't linked him up in Hawick yet.
Andrew I can't match up with cwgc so not clear who he is.
If you do have a spare moment to transmit the other blurb about James, I'd be grateful. I don't want to take up too much of your time though.
I had a peek at the Derek Robertson book last night in Edinburgh, I think it is partly based on your book although the reference to it is a bit vague.
Iain Kennedy
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Hi Iain
Here's the rest of it under the heading "A DISTINGUISHED HAWICK SOLDIER"
PREVIOUS PAGES OF "HAWICK AND THE WAR" CONTAIN REFERENCES TO
HONOURABLE DISTINCTIONS CONFERRED ON CAPT AND ADJUTANT KENNEDY, D.C.M. SINCE THESE ANNOUNCEMENTS WERE PRINTED, HIS MANY FRIENDS IN HAWICK LEARNED WITH PLEASURE OF HIS PROMOTION TO THE RANK OF LIEUT- COLONEL.
HE ENLISTED IN THE BLACK WATCH, FEBUARY, 1900; WAS SENT TO SOUTH AFRICA, 1901; SAW SERVICE THERE UNTIL THE FOLLOWING YEAR[ MEDAL];
PROCEEDED FROM THERE TO INDIA WITH HIS REGIMENT; ATTAINED THE RANK OF COMPANY SERGEANT-MAJOR;FORMED ONE OF THE 100 KINGS GUARD AT THE GREAT DURBAR AT DELHI[MEDAL]. WHEN WAR BROKE OUT HE CAME TO FRANCE
WITH THE INDIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCE; WAS AWARDED THE D.C.M. NOVEMBER, 1914; APPOINTED CAPTAIN AND ADJUTANT, BLACK WATCH, FEBUARY, 1915; DECORATED WITH THE MILITARY CROSS BY THE KING AT BUCKINGHAM PALACE, 1915; APPOINTED TO THE COMMAND OF A WELSH REGIMENT, WITH A RANK OF LIEUTENANT COLONEL, JULY 1916. HE HOLDS A FIRST CLASS ARMY CERTIFICATE OF EDUCATION, DISTINGUISHED CERTIFICATE FOR MUSKETRY, AND PASSED WITH DISTINCTION THE EXAMINATION FOR THE SUPPLY AND TRANSPORT CORPS, INDIA. HE IS THE SON OF MR JAMES A KENNEDY, 1 WEENSLAND ROAD.
Hope this is of interest to you .
bougie
ps Iwonder if you could help me to find one of your Kennedys for a friend of mine who lives in Australia. I will post info in your messages. Would be great if you could help.
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Hi Iain
Here's the rest of it under the heading "A DISTINGUISHED HAWICK SOLDIER"
PREVIOUS PAGES OF "HAWICK AND THE WAR" CONTAIN REFERENCES TO
HONOURABLE DISTINCTIONS CONFERRED ON CAPT AND ADJUTANT KENNEDY, D.C.M. SINCE THESE ANNOUNCEMENTS WERE PRINTED, HIS MANY FRIENDS IN HAWICK LEARNED WITH PLEASURE OF HIS PROMOTION TO THE RANK OF LIEUT- COLONEL.
HE ENLISTED IN THE BLACK WATCH, FEBUARY, 1900; WAS SENT TO SOUTH AFRICA, 1901; SAW SERVICE THERE UNTIL THE FOLLOWING YEAR[ MEDAL];
PROCEEDED FROM THERE TO INDIA WITH HIS REGIMENT; ATTAINED THE RANK OF COMPANY SERGEANT-MAJOR;FORMED ONE OF THE 100 KINGS GUARD AT THE GREAT DURBAR AT DELHI[MEDAL]. WHEN WAR BROKE OUT HE CAME TO FRANCE
WITH THE INDIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCE; WAS AWARDED THE D.C.M. NOVEMBER, 1914; APPOINTED CAPTAIN AND ADJUTANT, BLACK WATCH, FEBUARY, 1915; DECORATED WITH THE MILITARY CROSS BY THE KING AT BUCKINGHAM PALACE, 1915; APPOINTED TO THE COMMAND OF A WELSH REGIMENT, WITH A RANK OF LIEUTENANT COLONEL, JULY 1916. HE HOLDS A FIRST CLASS ARMY CERTIFICATE OF EDUCATION, DISTINGUISHED CERTIFICATE FOR MUSKETRY, AND PASSED WITH DISTINCTION THE EXAMINATION FOR THE SUPPLY AND TRANSPORT CORPS, INDIA. HE IS THE SON OF MR JAMES A KENNEDY, 1 WEENSLAND ROAD.
Hope this is of interest to you .
bougie
ps Iwonder if you could help me to find one of your Kennedys for a friend of mine who lives in Australia. I will post info in your messages. Would be great if you could help.
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Bougie
Once again, Thank you so much for my lookup. I am wondering if it is possible for you to send me a copy of the pictures in your book of my "Grahams". It would be much appreciated !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Iain,
The last Graham that Bougie looked up for me is the son of James Kennedy Graham. I just thought you would like to know as you are researching the "Kennedy" Family.
BeeMack
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Hi BeeMack
I am not able to send photo's at moment but hope to be able to shortly as i
am getting my own scanner, then i will catch up with the backlog of people waiting for pictures. I have put your name down on my list but you will have to send your e-mail address to my messages. Hope it wont be too long but i will also have to learn how to do it.[ Not very bright in that department]
bougie
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Hi Bougie
No Worries. I am not in any hurry at all for the phots. Take as much time as you need.
If you have any questions about scanners..... please do not hesitate to ask :)
Bee Mack
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Hi Vaberna
Sorry no Bishops but there's one James Park son of Mrs Park 10 Loan If you're
interested i will give you farther details.
bougie
Hi Bougie
I would be most grateful if you could send me more details about James Park. Also is there any chance you could have a look and see if there is anyone with the surname Nichol mentioned.
Many thanks
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Hi Vaberna
PRIVATE JAMES PARK OF THE BLACK WATCH, WHO WAS KILLED IN ACTION. HE WAS THE SON OF MRS PARK, 10 LOAN, HAWICK, AND THIS IS THE THIRD OF HER SONS TO LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR THEIR COUNTRY. HE WAS ABOUT 20 YEARS OF AGE, AND HAD BEEN NEARLY TWO YEARS IN THE ARMY, PRIOR TO THAT HAVING BEEN EMPLOYED AT THE GLEBE MILLS.
There are seven Nichols
PTE JAMES NICHOL
PTE ABRAHAM NICHOL
PTE DAVID NICHOL
PTE JOHN G NICHOL
PTE WALTER NICHOL
PTE CHARLES B NICHOL
LIEUT JOHN NICHOL
Any good?
bougie
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Many thanks for the information - the James Park I'm looking for would have been older - perhaps this James is his son, I will have to try figure out if there is a connection.
Once again thanks a lot for taking the time to do look-ups
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Hi Bougie
Does the book by any chance list the parents names of the Nichol boys that you listed? If so and if it is not to much trouble could you please send them to me.
I am trying to establish how the Nichol family of Hawick are connected to the Park family from Denholm and Hawick. I have found an old photo sent to my Grandfather from his Aunt & Uncle W & B Nichol.
Many thanks
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Bougie,
Is there any chance you could look up some Hogg brothers for me please if you get a chance.
They were called Alexander, John (b. 1888), Peter (b.1891) and Thomas (b. 1893).
They also had a sister called Mary (b. 1890) (My Aunie Mary :D)who had a fiance who died in the great war. I don't know his name. But she never married. But we think she had a child and it was kept very quiet..... All very sad.....
Also James T Bowie (b 1889) or any of his brothers; Andrew (b 1880), David (b. 1883) or Henry (b 1887). All lived in Hawick.
Thanks!!
Tx
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hello, i have researched a gt uncle james alexander renwick of 3 oliver place hawick son of andrew richardson renwick-draper. he went to australia,enlisted and was killed oct 1918...i have applied to the australian high commission for his records and medals...he was mentioned in dispatches.
the one thing i do not have is a photo....can you help...your book seems to be invaluable.
how wonderful that the time was taken to note all the brave people who gave their lives...barbara
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Would you please look up James Pringle Young. Son of William & Jessie Young, Rockvale, Hawick. He was my grandfather and served in the KOSB'S. Many thanks
Terry
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hi there, new to all this, but please could you see if there is any reference to my great grandfather sergeant major Payne with KOSB and yeomanry I have photos of him on manoeuvres in 1911 but would like to know what he did in the war. (He was retired from the 21st lancers)
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Hello Bougie
That is a very interesting book, Do you have the publisher and authors details?
My Great Uncle Donald was killed in the Dardanelles
4321 CUMMING, DONALD, D Company, Is Battallion
Private 10730 King's Own Scottish Borderers 06/08/1915 23 yrs old
Panel 84 to 92 or 220 to 222.(Helles Memorial)
He was the son of James and Louisa Cumming, 12 Wilton Crescent. They had 4 sons, 4 sons in law and 7 nephews in the Great War in 1915.
He was not killed on the terrible 12th July but appears to have died on 6th August . I recall reading something from a clipping which I have now lost that he died from his wounds after carrying someone wounded out of the line and had he died would have been awarded a medal. Do you have any record of this or of his death?
I have also been trying to trace my grandfathers service record. I know he went to Berwick to sign up thinking he would have joined the KOSB like his father and brothers, uncles and cousins but due to a mix up he ended up in The Royal Scots and did his basic training in Nigg. I wouold welcome any information relating to his Regiment, Battallion and company. He served fromearly 1915 to March/April 1919 and returned to work on the railways as a fireman.
Thank you for sharing this book.
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Bougie,
foolishly I didn't give you my grandfathers name in the last post. He was also from 12 Wilton Crescent. His name was George Gordon Cumming b 16 1 1899 The engraving on his medals is 51463 Pte G G Cumming R. Scots
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I would be extremely grateful if you could look up my Grandfather in your Great War book. His name was William Elliot Reid, born in 1892, and he would have lived at 2, Village (aka Under Village), Hawick. He was married in 1915 to Margaret Murgatroyd, and was wounded in the war. Many thanks.
Pantograph.
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Barb
This is cousin Jim Scott from edmonton - I stumbled over your exchanges on this site with respect to our HAwick ancestors. Can you email me at (*) as I have a friend Val who is assisting me on our family tree.
Best wishes for 2009 - hope you have a good year - also, how is all of the Scott family over there?
Jim
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Hi Stephanie.
I have both Musgraves and Armstrongs in my family tree. I would love to correspond with you on these families.
Ian
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Pantograph...was your Margaret Murgatroyd born c 1890 at Gateshead,Durham ,England and was the daughter of Janet and Joshua ??
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Would you be able to see if you have anything in your book about Alexander Nicholson, I have a photo of him in uniform, but don't know what regiment he was in, he looks very young in the photo,maybe 16-18yrs old,
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Yes! That's my granny. I have lots of information about her and pictures of her brothers, sisters and father Joshua.
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Hello there - can you help me.
My Great Grandmother was Ellen Anderson (c1882) - her father was James (1856c) and he was born in Hawick. His fathers name was William (c1824)
Any information you can share would be gratefully received.
Regards
Steve
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Hi everyone
I am sorry that i have not been keeping up with this post and i now seem to have a backlog to catch up with. The good news is that i can now send pictures from the book .
I will PM anyone whose relations are in and arrange to send pics so anyone who doesn't hear from me can assume that the relevant info wasn't there.[sorry]. Feel free to make further enquiries as other relations may be in.
Thank you all for your patience.
Sheena
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Bougie
I'd like to take up your offer of looking for my ancestor in your book. I came across an old family photo of 'Willie Archibald who died in 1917'. I searched for him on the Commonwealth Graves website and discovered he was from Hawick. He died after the RMS Aragon was torpedoed on 30/12/1917 off Alexandria, Egypt.
I'd love to have any other information about him.
Thanks so much.
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Hi familylogger
Willie Archibalds pic, is in my book.
If you personal message me your email address i will send it to you.
bougie
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A slight problem, this is only my 2nd post to the site. I need 3 to PM.
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Have pm'd you my email address
bougie
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Hi Bougie
Can I just say what a great job you are doing.
If it's possible could you look up my great uncles, Lance Corporal John (Jock) Charters of the Gordon Highlanders died 31/07/1917 and his brother Private Elliot Charters of 7th/8th Bn KOSB died 27/5/1918.
Thanks
Sabu1
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John and Elliot Charters are both in the book. If you want pictures pm me your email address and i will send them.
It is absolutely no bother to do this and it is worth it when sometimes the people concerned have never seen a picture of this relation before. The many thanks that i get off everybody is my reward.
bougie
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Thanks very much for this Bougie
I will send you a pm but I was wondering if you could tell me how they died so that I can tell my mum? I seem to remember that somebody in the family said that one of them died of pneumonia. Any clues given.
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Hi Bougie
My mum is also looking for information on her dad William J Whillans who she believes was in the Royal Garrison Artillery (possibly a Bombadier).
Any information would be gratefully received.
Best wishes
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Hi sabu1
when you recieve the pictures you get all the details of how they died etc, below each one.
Sorry no William J Whillans in there. There are a few men not in the book that still took part in the war. [ One of them being my own grandfather ]. I can only think the reason for this is that the book was compiled quite quickly after the war and all details hadn't been gathered or maybe the families had to inform the authors and either didn't know or some other reason.
bougie
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Hi Bougie,
Are my Rae brother's (gt grandmother's brothers) mentioned by any chance .... Robert, Walter and William.
Also and Bogles hiding in there?
Thanks
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Hi Thirsty
There are 5 Rae s .
James son of Thomas, 2 Elm Grove
William son of James [ tailor ] 29 High Street
Walter J son of Walter, Buenos Ayres
Robert son of Mrs Rae 14 Gladstone St
Walter son of Mrs Rae 10 High Street
Don't know if amy of these are brothers . Maybe the bottom 2 if their mother changed address during the war. Also sometimes the mothers name is mentioned and sometimes the father. Sometimes both. This doesn't seem to mean that the father and mother weren't both alive during that time.
Let me know which, if any you want.
Sorry no Bogle s.
bougie
ps I can send them all if you want and you can take a look.
Pm your email address
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Sent email off to you Thirsty
bougie
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Fantastic! Thanks Bougie
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Hang on to that book! A very battered one sold yesterday for nearly £140 !!
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Hi aricandec
Was it same book. Would never give mine up as it was my grandfathers and it contains family members. Just of interest, where did it sell about? Was it this country ?
bougie
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Yes, same book, very dilapidated state, in the local auction room in Hawick. I also have relations in it but had to use the local library's copy to get the info. Nice as it has photos too of some of the deceased.
I do have a copy of the HMSO: Soldiers died in the Great War 1914-1919, Part 30 - The King's Own Scottish Borderers. Not so easy to use as it is arranged by Battalion and covers the whole lot which might be useful to anyone who is sure their ancestor was in the KOSB when he died.
Enid
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My great uncle Elliot Charters was in the KOSB (7th/8th Bn) when he died on 27th May 1918. We've just come back from a trip to France where we visited his grave. We also visited the Wellington Caves in Arras where up to 20,000 troops were positioned before the Battle and with the help of a very helpful curator managed to discover that my great uncle was indeed amongst those in the caves. But we have no idea how or where he died. Any help would be gratefully appreciated.
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Charters, Ellliot, b.Hawick, Roxburgh, enlisted Hawick, Roxburgh, 29526, Pte., Died of Wounds., F & F, 27/5/1918.
Not much more info than your already have, I suspect. BUT looking on Ancestry his record states he died of wounds in Aldershot:
Name: Elliot Charters
Birth Place: Hawick, Roxburgh Residence: Hawick, Roxburgh
Death Date: 27 May 1918 Enlistment Location: Hawick, Roxburgh
Rank: Private Regiment: King's Own Scottish Borderers
Battalion: 7/8th Battalion. Number: 29526
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds Theatre of War: Aldershot
(F&F = France and Flanders)
Enid
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How bizzare is that? Aldershot ? But he's buried in France!
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I think that Aldershot would be where his regiment were stationed but it says died of wounds f&f 27/5/1918 so they must have been deployed to France & Flanders at the time he died.
bougie
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Does anyone have an idea of how I go about finding out when my great-uncles enlisted?
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Dear Bougie..
I would really appreciate it if you would look up my great grandfather Robert Milligan Henderson.. He was in the Royal Engineers.
Let me know if you need more information..
Thanks in anticipation
cheers
Tabily
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Hi Bougie,
Do you have any information in your book about a John Edmondson, born 24/6/1892 in Hawick. His parents were Richard Edmondson and Elizabeth Pattison Kennedy. John emigrated to Canada in 1912 and joined the 48th Canadian Highlanders (Reg No 27062) at the outbreak of WW1. He married my grandfathers sister Jessie Hogg Wilkinson in 1917 in Hawick.
Also, my grandfathers brother William Briggs Wilkinson, born 11/04/1897 in Hawick and he joined the Seaforth Highlanders. His WW1 Medal Rolls Index Card gives his Reg No as S/7696, 5348 and 267704. Williams parents were William Briggs Wilkinson and Mary Hogg.
Thanks for looking.
Ritchie
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Bougie,
I have a bit of puzzle here, and am hoping you can help me out.
When I was a lass I lived in Hawick, at Marfaux, Wilton Path.
We were told the orginal owners of the home built as an hotel, and name it Marfaux in memory of their son who was killed there.
I have always felt connected to that lad, but don't know his name.
I have talked to Derek Robertson about this, and he couldn't help me.
Bougie.. you are my last hope.
cheers
Shelley
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I presume that all who have an interest in Hawick know about the Hawick Work Book - a .pdf document on-line at http://www.astro.ubc.ca/people/scott/book.pdf full of useful (and accurate) info - including that either the Scott or the Inglis family lived there during WW1
Enid
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Many Thanks Enid !
This is amazing, I am very grateful.
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I will get back to you on that one next week Shelley S
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Dear Bougie..
I would really appreciate it if you would look up my great grandfather Robert Milligan Henderson.. He was in the Royal Engineers.
Let me know if you need more information..
Thanks in anticipation
cheers
Tabily
Sorry Tabily but i can't find him in book. My mate has my other one at the mo but if it's in there i will get back to you.
bougie
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Hi Bougie,
Do you have any information in your book about a John Edmondson, born 24/6/1892 in Hawick. His parents were Richard Edmondson and Elizabeth Pattison Kennedy. John emigrated to Canada in 1912 and joined the 48th Canadian Highlanders (Reg No 27062) at the outbreak of WW1. He married my grandfathers sister Jessie Hogg Wilkinson in 1917 in Hawick.
Also, my grandfathers brother William Briggs Wilkinson, born 11/04/1897 in Hawick and he joined the Seaforth Highlanders. His WW1 Medal Rolls Index Card gives his Reg No as S/7696, 5348 and 267704. Williams parents were William Briggs Wilkinson and Mary Hogg.
Thanks for looking.
Ritchie
sorry to you too Richie there are two Edmondsons in book. A George and a C S M R if you want them let me know
bougie
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I will get back to you on that one next week Shelley S
Cheers Bougie
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Thanks Bougie..I appreciate your time and effort! ;D
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Hi Bougie,
could you please check for any mention of 3 Huggan family members I am researching, killed in the Great War.
John Huggan husband of Wihelmina Parker,father Thomas Huggan,mother Jessie Douglas.
William Huggan, John's brother.
James Jeffrey Huggan,husband of Isabella Clark,father John Huggan,mother Mary Welsh.
Hi Terie, I also have a photograph of James Jeffrey Huggan - I don't know if it's the same as the one you already have but it's an extract from a local newspaper with a paragraph beneath. If it's different from the one you have pm me and perhaps we can swap images?
Nicola
James J Huggan was a cousin of John and William Huggan.
I believe William and James lived in Hawick and John had immigrated to Canada.
Thanks for any help,
Amanda,
Canada.
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Hi bougie,
I have just came across your offer to look up names in your book. I wonder if you have a John Storie born around 1887 from Wilton. Hawick. He joined the K.O.S.B around 1914. I think he was a baker .
Cathiemay.
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Hi aricandec
Was it same book. Would never give mine up as it was my grandfathers and it contains family members. Just of interest, where did it sell about? Was it this country ?
bougie
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bougie
I am at a loss perhaps you can help me..A relative of mine William Thomas (middle name Henry but rarely used) born about 1889 Liverpool last address in 1914 was 81a Barndale RD Mossley Hill Liverpool.was killed in WW1 he served in the Kings(Liverpool) reg.Battalion unknown BUT could have been the 18th as his brother Edward Walter Thomas served in the 18thBn and was killed 11th Feb 1916 France aged 22(Re CWCG on line) Mother of both was Mary Ann(Annie) Thomas, Father was Edward Thomas (died 1902).
Edwards Army record stated his next of kin was William Thomas so I assume William would have said Edward Thomas was next of kin..Street directory of 81a Barndale rd says householder was Annie Thomas.for years 1914,1918-23
William's Army record must have been lost in ww2 Medal records has a William Thomas and number ..but no address Can you Please help.
Thank you
Ray
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Hi Bougie
Would you have any Croziers in your book? I am interested in a John Crozier, son of Peter and Mary Scott Blythe or any other Croziers.
Thanks
Coral
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Hi Bougie,
I have just joined this site and come across this great information about Hawick and the men of WW1. I wonder have you anything in your book about my uncle Henry Learmonth. Born in Hawick around 1895 he spent a large part of his life in the USA where he died in 1979 - Hempstead, New York - and served in WW1 with the Lovat Scouts, according to family legend.
He has no direct descendants, but I would love to know if there is anything about him in your book.
Many thanks
Judy
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Looking for info on James Kennedy, later Lt Col. born 24th Dec 1882
served in Boer War and other conflicts including Great War. Listed on marriage certificate, to Christina Elder, in 17 July 1908 as a Sergeant. (professional soldier)
Promoted in Dec 1914 to Lieutenant, and later to Lt Col.
Dies 15 March 1938, (72 years ago) . there was quite an obituary in one of the local papers about 18th March 1938.
Children:-
Mary born c 1809
John about 1912/3, lived in Carlisle then Glasgow, only one Daughter Sheila born about 1944/5
James & Walter about 1914
Squirejay
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Hi
Its great that you are offering your help to our searches, and we truley appreciate it.
When you get a chance, could you please look up the name Richardson. my grandad was in the great war as were his brothers. I think it was either in the Kings own scottish borderers regiment or the Black Watch. His name was James Murray Richardson.
Thank You
Happy Hunting Everybody
Carolyn :)
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Hi, just started onto board, do you have anything on william K Innes, he joined up in KOSB 1/4 and was I think in 3/4 at some time, got to Major.
Thanks
pam
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Hi Bougie
I hope you can help me.
I'd love to learn anything about John Meikle Bain who was a 2Lt in 9th Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) when he was killed on the Somme on 14th July 1916.
Thanks in anticipation
David in Glasgow
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Hello Bougie,
I have recently sourced a fine portrait of a Scottish Officer that requires to be positively identified.
I believe the portrait is that of 2nd Lieutenant WALTER GERALD PRINGLE, a native of Hawick.
Walter Gerald Pringle was an officer in the 6th Battalion K.O.S.B., and was killed-in-action during the Great War.
The attached portrait is that of a 2nd Lieutenant of the K.O.S.B. and the youthfulness of the subject would correspond with the age of the deceased.
I know not how the portrait was done, but the 'inclusion' of the Great War ribands would be artistic license, as the subject 'if' Walter Pringle never lived to receive his campaign ribands.
As Walter Pringle was a well known character in Hawick (he was heir to the famous hosiery company of that name), I am rather hoping that your book includes both a detailed obituary as well as a fine portrait of Walter by which we might be able to positively attribute the attached portrait.
In advance many thanks.
Yours aye,
Mark.S
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Sorry everybody . I have been neglecting this post but am so busy just now. Anyway i will now attempt to catch up a bit.
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To Mark. S
Yes your Walter Gerald Pringle is in the book with photo which appears to be the same as your pic but no ribands. If you send me your email address on a personal message i will send you copy.
Sheena
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To David in Glasgow.
Yes John Meikle Bain is in. If you send me your email address by personal message i will send copy of page
Sheena
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To Pam
There is a W.K.Innes in book. PM your email address and i will send copy
Sheena
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To Carolyn
Sorry no James Murray Richardson.
Sheena
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To Squirejay
Yes James Kennedy is in. PM your email address and i will send
Sheena
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To Judy
Yes there is a Henry Learmonth in. Send email address by pm and i will send copy
Sheena
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To Coral
Sorry. Only Croziers are Fred, James and William.
Sheena
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To Cathiemay
Yes John Storrie in book. PM email address and i will send copy
Sheena
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To Ray
I'm so sorry but my book only contains Hawick men. Have you tried getting in touch with the Office at Kew, London. They may be able to help as they have all war records there. Have you posted this on the Liverpool pages of Rootschat?. You may find someone on there that can help. Good luck with your search.
Sheena
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Hi Sheena (a.k.a. Bougie),
Thanks a lot for confirming the inclusion of a portrait and obituary for Walter Gerald Pringle. I will contact you separately by PM with my contact details as requested.
In the meantime best wishes.
Yours aye,
Mark
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Email has been sent Mark. Please let me know if you recieve it .
Sheena
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Hi Sheena,
Very many thanks for your email and scanned attachments that included the picture and obituary of Walter Gerald Pringle.
Your information has proven to be a positive identification of the portrait that I have in my possession, and as you suggested is definiterly one and the same person and portrait - only difference being that the framed portrait I have has had the medal ribbons added to the tunic of Lieutenant Pringle.
Best wishes.
Yours aye,
Mark
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Glad to be of help Mark.
I can only say that, after reading the obituary, Walter Gerald Pringle, deserved those medals.
Sheena
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Hi Bougie
Is it possible to look up in your book for my grandfather William Grant Smith who fought in WW1.
He was in the RFA no. 227836 and was awarded the military medal.
His parents had a licenced grosers shop in Hawick High Street,
Regards
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Hi Sheena,
Many thanks for getting back. Unfortunately I missed your reply until last week. Hope you got my PM?
Many thanks for your help.
Judy
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Hi Bougie,
Many thanks for your Help. I'm very grateful.
Judy
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Hi there,
Must be a very interesting book, when you have time could you look up Stewart and Watt from Hawick for me. The Watts would be Mark, Thomas and James or John not sure which, Mark Watt was my grandfather he died in 1923, 6 weeks before my mum was born so she never knew him, he died i believe due to the effects of gas posioning from the war. The Stewarts would be William and i'm not sure what other names. They all lived in Hawick, i dont even know what regiment any of them were in. I really have no information on them and i would love any information you can give me.
Many thanks Anne
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Hi annejane
Sorry no Watts in book but their is a family of four Stewart brothers.
William, George, David and Walter. They lived at 20 Howegate Hawick, which interestingly was up the same close as my grandfathers family.
If you think this is the family you are looking for then send me a personal message with your email address and i will send them to you.
bougie
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Hi there,
Thanks for you quick reply.
It probably is the correct Stewart family, as they did live in the west end of the town. My e-mail is (*). I'm trying to figure out how to PM a message to you.
Many thanks Anne
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Hi Anne
I have sent you email containing pics of the Stewart brothers. Please let me know if you get them.
bougie
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Hi there,
I'm totally new to all this so it may be a bit of a long shot as I dont have much to go on, but I was wondering if my great grandfather, Mark Watt, was in your book?
As far as I am aware he died in 1923, and although I'm not sure of what exactly I know he never really recovered from the effects of the mustard gas. I know he was a musician but I don't know what regiment he served in or any further information.
Any help would be great!
Many thanks,
Rachel
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If I'd read all of the previous posts I might have realised Anne had already asked about the Watts!!
Anne, fancy finding you here!;) I'm trying to do a family tree for my dad (rennie) and was going to give him as much as I could find for his Christmas. Could you pm me your email so we can swap what bits of info be have?
Thanks!! Rachel x
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Hi again,
Sorry to hijack this thread but were there any Thomsons in the book?
Thanks!!
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Just found this site and would be grateful if you could tell me if there is reference to a James Domone Kennedy in your book about Hawick and the Great War. Possibly in the KOSB?
Thanks
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Sorry about the delay in replying I haven't been able to reply,
Reply #118 on: Thursday 08 July 10 20:12 UTC (UK) »
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To Pam
There is a W.K.Innes in book. PM your email address and i will send copy
Sheena
I have only posted once so can't pm you. If there is a picture of JB Innes in there I would be also grateful, having found that my Grandfather WK at the age of 21 cut off his cousin's arm JB Innes at Gallipoli (he died Cheering on his comrades) and then returned his skean dhu to James father who lived at Lindisfarne. There is also a monument (empty lair ) to James at Wellogate Cemetary.
There is another website with this information if others are interested
where you can get a read of the war record of the 4th KOSB battalion
War Record of 4th Battalion King's Own Scottish Borderers (January 1, 1920)
http://www.archive.org/stream/warrecord00browuoft/warrecord00browuoft_djvu.txt which is difficult to read but next to it on the left you can read it in a different format and see the picture of the battalion
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Hi Bougie
Can you look up your book to see if there is any mention of a Charles Brown who was born in Hawick on the 20 March 1890. His older brother joined the Army and I suspect Charles may have followed his example
Colin
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Hi there! I'm working on assembling my mother's ancestry; her mother was born in Hawick, a Helen Bain Gray, daughter of Helen McGregor Seth Bain and John Gray.
John Gray, and his siblings appear to all have been born in Galashies, but when the children started emigrating, their parents, Archibald and Jane Wilson GRAY, were living at 19 Trinity St in Hawick. Their childrens' emigration papers reference it repeatedly, and the family story has always been that "we're from Hawick." (At least one sibling, Margaret Jane Alison ("Meg") Gray, remained in Hawick and made the Border TV news in the late 1980s talking about the working conditions in the factories.)
One of the first to leave was Thomas GRAY, b.1879 in Galashiels; he arrived in Alberta, Canada circa 1906 and is listed in the 1911 Canadian Census in Red Deer, Alberta... but I could never find more information from the 1920s, when his siblings listed him as their Point of Contact when they also left for Canada via the Overseas Settlement Committee.
It finally occurred to me to search military records, and so I have found Thomas GRAY's enlistment attestation paper, filed in Stettler (Alberta), his assignment to the 31st Battalion of the Canadian Infantry, and then subsequently his death near Lens, France on 10 July 1917. A number of different memorial websites list his burial and have images of the headstone and cemetary near Pas de Calais.
This raises, for me, the question of communications at the time: whether news of his death had traveled to Hawick... and whether the family knew he was not in Alberta when they headed for Canada themselves in 1920 - 1923. (At least one of his brothers had visited him there prior to the war, then returned to Scotland.)
Long story short (!), I'm wondering if he's in the book. I've also had no luck tracking down his other male siblings post-war and wondering if they may have been involved:
George GRAY (b. 1875 Galashiels) (m. Agnes (?))
Walter Scott GRAY (b. 1877 Galashiels) (m. Helen Ann (?))
James GRAY (b. 1883 Galashiels) (in Niagara Falls, NY 1914, per sibling's travel papers)
Archibald GRAY (b. 1886 Galashiels)
Any information your book contains about these men would be greatly appreciated. It's very kind of you.
Thanks...
Anita
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Hi
I am not sure if you are still doing look ups from your book, but would be very grateful if you would see if my great grandfather John Neil or John O'Neill is mentioned anywhere, he was born in Hawick, about 1876, joined the KOSB and later died in 1917 in WWW 1 in France.
Thankyou
Trudi
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Could you look and see if Leo Robertson appears in the book? He served in the Royal Scots Fusiliers.
thanks
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Hi ,
(wondering if you still doing look ups , Your post has been fascinating.) :)
I wonder if there is any Norman's / Read's in your book?
David Norman 1890--1960/1
James , George , John , Robert Norman
George or Philip Read.
Just started this line of family so not got much .
Thanks
McStrings
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Whast a great job and service you are doing.
When you get a chance can you look for
DICKEY
GRAHAM inaddition to the ones you alrerady posted
PRIVATE JAMES HALDANE GRAHAM
Thomas Graham
John Graham
James Graham. Sons of Mr T Graham
ANDERSON
MICHELL
Yours Aye,
Angus
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Hi Bougie,
I've heard of the book 'Hawick and the Great War', and I'm hoping that you can help me out.
My grandfather Robert Porter fought with the KOSB's during the war, was invalided at Gallipoli and subsequently was made a POW in 1917 in France. He survived, and died in 1947. Is he in your copy of the book?
Also, he had three cousins from Hawick, all killed. Three of them (Robert Porter, John Porter and David Porter were brothers, the sons of Robert Porter).
The other cousin was John Porter, son of John Porter. I'd be surprised if the brothers at least aren't in the book, I think it was the only example from Hawick of three brothers killed.
If there are pics, I'd be particularly grateful!
Sending you thanks, Robbie
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Hi
I found this thread whilst searching for information on my husband's grandfather, who was in the KOSBs and lived in Hawick, altho came originally from Edinburgh. I wonder if you could have a look for any information on him - he may not be in your book. Bit tricky though, as his birth name was GARDEN but like a lot of young men changed his name to sign up whilst underge, so may also be under SMITH ..
James GARDEN aka SMITH, born 1882, Edinburgh, KOSBs, wounded and returned home about 1916, married a Hawick girl Jeanie RODDAN and lived in Hawick from then on. KOSB number is 9837
I would appreciate any information you can provide, and thank you
Christine, Australia
(I tried looking in the internet archive to see if this bok has been uploaded, but it doesn't appear there. An amazing site http://www.archive.org/ )
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Hi
I would be grateful for any information on an Arthur Bell who was in KOSB. His last address was 6 Buccleuch Street Hawick.
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Do you have any information on an Andrew Elder (born in Hawick in 1890)? He was wounded in WWI and lost a leg. He returned home to Hawick. He was with the 1st Cameron Highlanders.
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Just a point regarding the book - I too have a copy - although it is a very good book - but it doesn't have every person from Hawick and Surrounding districts who fought in WW1 and survived and returned home in it.
My Grandfather James Turnbull MM (Engineer - co.former of Turnbull & Scott )is not in it - even though he was born bred and died in Hawick and fought at the France/Belgium for both the Cameron Highlanders and the 250th Brigade RFA. from 1914.
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Hello, do you still have this book and are you still looking for peoples relatives in it?
Many thanks,
Rob.
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I have a great uncle - Robert Douglas - who was killed in action on 24/3/1918. His town of residence was given as Hawick although he was born in Seline in Fife. I have found out he is a Private with service number 235234. I have found out from Forces War Records that he was in the Seaforth Highlanders but I can find no record in their Role of Honour. Is he mentioned in your grandfather's book.
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You mentioned you couldn't find Robert Douglas Roll of Honor - check the Rolls at Edinburgh Castle their a full set of the Scottish Regiments there also check out the Museum Archive at the Castle - if you have his Number there can trace them.
Also check out the Commonwealth War Grave Commissions Website - it very good for trace men who died in action - whether they bried o out - the list of Killed are engraved on several monuments.
I use both the Castle and the CWGC when looking for my great uncle William Hunter (Seaforth Highlanders) who killied in France 1917 and his body was never found - even got info on the battle he died in.
If I get time I'll check the book for robert.
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did a bit of digging on the CWGC site - robert douglas died at the Somme - he is mentioned on pozieres memorial panel 72 & 73
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Hello, Might be a long shot but I have a couple of relatives who died in ww1 that came from Hawick. They were:
Private Samuel Latham
134869 Royal Engineers Z Special (Flamethrower) Company
Died of Wounds 25th July 1918, aged 32.
and
Private William Latham
358116 2/10th Liverpool (Scottish) Regiment
Died from gas 24th June 1919, aged 31
I have been told there is abit about them in the Hawick newspapers from the time but have not been able to find this info on the net.
Please can anyone help with more info on these two lads?
Thankyou in advance.
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I am a member of the Kirkheaton Family History Group who is researching the names on the Local War Memorial. Alexander Stavert is listed on the memorial. Detailed below is what our research has found to date.
Born 4 June 1884 at Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland
Married Jane Ann - ,
Parents Alexander(b1839) & Margaret(b1842)
Siblings Margaret E(b1867),Thomas(b1872),Elizabeth(b1874),John H(b1877)
Enlisted living at 322 Greenside, Dalton?
Royal Navy (Volunteer Reserve)
Ordinary Seaman - No London Z/9726
Army Records Missing
Died Died of Disease 6 October 1918 aged 34 at London General Hospital
Buried 1396 - Wilton Cemetry, Hawick, Roxburghshire
Further Information
Widow Jane Anne living at 5 Waverley Cottages, Hawick
Can you add to this research.
Many Thanks
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I`ve just finished reading all of this. Thank you to all who have contributed and you ,Bougie for all your work.
My grandfather Adam Black born 6th April 1893 at 17 Loan Hawick, served in the Great War; thankfully he survived and lived unitl 1985. His medals say he was in the RA which as a family we were amazed by as we thought he might have been in the Lincolnshire Regiment. He lived in Lincolnshire from 1913,had 2 forays to Australia, to live with family there and back to Lincolnshire.
However, what I was going to ask, if you have time, would his half-brother Alexander Black born October 1881 Selkirk, lived in Hawick at the time of the 1891 census, be in your book.
Thanks
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Sorry, re Adam Black I should have put 4th April 1893 at 26 Bridge Street Hawick
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Dear Bougie/Sheena,
I've just joined Rootschat because a web search led me to your book: Hawick and the Great War 1914-1919, and your kind offer to search for names.
I hate to add to your burden, but if you could spare the time, would it be possible to see if my Grandfather James Harvey is in your book. He was born in Kinross on 28 March 1886, but had moved to Hawick by 1891, and was married to Jane Scott Moffat. The 1911 census records their address as 3 Teviot Row. No-one in the family can tell me which regiment he was in, but I remember my Gran fondly speaking of the KOSBs so perhaps.....
He died when I was 14 so I wasn't of an age to ask questions, and I believe he didn't speak much of his experiences anyway - certainly my older cousins can't help out. I do know he was wounded because he would joke that he was shot in the a**e running away. I've attached a photo of him and his family if that is of use.
Please accept my thanks if you can help at all.
Best wishes, James
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Hi, I am looking for Richard McGowan - now im really unsure if he served in WW1. I have found his record for signing up with the army (KOSB) in 1893 and in 1895, but no record of him serving in WW1, medals etc.
I think there is a photo of him in the book, but is it really him?
Any info is appreciated
Thanks
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Hello Bougie, I would really appreciate it if you could look up my father, Thomas Walter Ballantyne Turnbull, born in the Parish of Minto (probably Knowetownhead Farm near Denholm) in 1998.
I think he was in the Royal Horse Artillery (or Royal Artillery) and probably served in the Bulgarian campaign.
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If you have any informatipn on my great uncles who fought in the great war then I would be very grateful.
Two brothers who died were Sam and William Latham. Two pther nrothers who served were George and Kohn Latham
Regards
Barrie Latham
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A slightly different request for the residents/past residents of Hawick. John Shannon Ferguson was born in Hawick 1894. He was the Gunlayer on an HP O/400 night bomber on the evening of September 20, 1918 piloted by my great uncle 2/Lt ACG Fowler and they both died, along with Observer Clement Clough Eaves from Derby/Westhoughton/Bolton/Stockport. They are all commemorated on the Arras Flying Services Memorial to the Missing. I have researched information and got corroborating evidence that they were buried in the Garrison Cemetery in Metz--now renamed Chambière French National Cemetery, Metz. (And have visited there twice) I am petitioning the Commonwealth War Graves Commission to erect three headstones there in their honour. I am trying to track down relatives of John Shannon Ferguson as they might be interested in the event--though nowhere near a certainty that my petition will be successful. I have written a book about their last mission--to bomb Frescaty Aerodrome near Metz--then in Germany--now in France. There is a free eBook at Books2Read/Night Bomber Pilot I have given all the print books away (1500 to museums and other interested folk) as a commemoration to their short lives.
Hawick information
John's siblings: William born 1879, Hugh b. 1881, Maggie b. 1883, Thomas b. 1885, Annie b. 1889, Andrew b. 1893, John born 1894/5, Jane b. 1897
John's parents: Thomas Ferguson born 1858 and Annie Ferguson born 1861 Living at 20, Gladstone St. Hawick, Roxburghshire
John's grandparents: William born 1823 and Margaret (Thomson) born 1823 Ferguson living at 3Rd Back House, Hawick, Roxburghshire
John's parents left Hawick and moved to Pittsfield, Massachusetts, USA--John's next of kin information reflects this.
Of course, I would love extra information about 2/Lt John Shannon Ferguson
Please share this with your Hawick friends and neighbours.
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A slightly different request for the residents/past residents of Hawick. John Shannon Ferguson was born in Hawick 1894. He was the Gunlayer on an HP O/400 night bomber on the evening of September 20, 1918 piloted by my great uncle 2/Lt ACG Fowler and they both died, along with Observer Clement Clough Eaves from Derby/Westhoughton/Bolton/Stockport. They are all commemorated on the Arras Flying Services Memorial to the Missing. I have researched information and got corroborating evidence that they were buried in the Garrison Cemetery in Metz--now renamed Chambière French National Cemetery, Metz. (And have visited there twice) I am petitioning the Commonwealth War Graves Commission to erect three headstones there in their honour. I am trying to track down relatives of John Shannon Ferguson as they might be interested in the event--though nowhere near a certainty that my petition will be successful. I have written a book about their last mission--to bomb Frescaty Aerodrome near Metz--then in Germany--now in France. There is a free eBook at Books2Read/Night Bomber Pilot I have given all the print books away (1500 to museums and other interested folk) as a commemoration to their short lives.
Hawick information
John's siblings: William born 1879, Hugh b. 1881, Maggie b. 1883, Thomas b. 1885, Annie b. 1889, Andrew b. 1893, John born 1894/5, Jane b. 1897
John's parents: Thomas Ferguson born 1858 and Annie Ferguson born 1861 Living at 20, Gladstone St. Hawick, Roxburghshire
John's grandparents: William born 1823 and Margaret (Thomson) born 1823 Ferguson living at 3Rd Back House, Hawick, Roxburghshire
John's parents left Hawick and moved to Pittsfield, Massachusetts, USA--John's next of kin information reflects this.
Of course, I would love extra information about 2/Lt John Shannon Ferguson
Please share this with your Hawick friends and neighbours.
I believe John's mother was Mary Annie Shannon born approx 1860 , she is part of a large Shannon family living in Hawick, her brother Daniel Shannon married one of my Crozier family, several of the Shannon boys died in WW1, pretty sure there would be family still alive in Hawick, have you any contacts in Hawick? I have only researched the Shannon family not the Ferguson,
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Hello! I am looking for a photo of William Smith Heatley. He was from the Hawick region and after immigrating to Canada served with the CEF (WWI). I have his service file. Again just looking for a photo of him. I understand there should be one either in the book you are referring to or in one recently published. With thanks. Lyn
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Hi, I'm looking for some information on Pringle Borthwick. He died on the 13th of October 1915. The information I'm looking for is his Date of Burial in Hawick.
Much thanks in advance.
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The best way to find burial records is to contact the relevant local authority, in this case Scottish Borders https://www.scotborders.gov.uk/burials-cemeteries/searching-burial-records - if they don't hold the records they will know who does.
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Thank you much appreciated.