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Dumfriesshire / Re: Dicksons/Dixons from Canonbie/Middlebie/Langholm research help!
« on: Wednesday 05 October 22 12:38 BST (UK)  »
Thank you both. The abbreviation, I later learned, was "parish."  I also agree that it's always better to view the original! :)

Quote from: Forfarian on Wednesday 05 October 22 11:43 BST (UK)
Quote from: jcmac on Wednesday 05 October 22 11:31 BST (UK)
Would "yr" have any effect on identifying/confirming which John D. is being recorded?
If it is indeed yr, then yes, it would imply that John's father is still living, but not necessarily that his father was also named John.

However I don't think it is yr. Look at the very last abbreviation after 'this'. If that is 'Pr' for 'Parish', it is identical to the abbreviation after 'Middelbie'.

Quote from: brentdickson on Wednesday 30 October 19 15:48 GMT (UK)
"John Dixon of Middlebie & Elizabeth Thomson in this parish Jan 26th"
"John Dixon Pr of Middelbie & Elizabeth Thomson in this Pr Janry 26"

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it is always better if you type out information
I disagree 100%. This is a classic case of why it is always better to see the original. :)

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Dicksons/Dixons from Canonbie/Middlebie/Langholm research help!
« on: Wednesday 05 October 22 01:46 BST (UK)  »
Monica:

I was aware they turned up in Glasgow for some time, but haven't determined why. I do know they returned, though, or possibly maintained two residences. The family were gardeners/nurserymen at Netherby, I believe they may have operated the Cross Keys Inn in Canonbie for some time, and/or operated a courier/coach business.

Still trying to narrow down and scour new resources, but I believe DNA deductions on Ancestry also point to descent from James Dixon and Jean Telfer.

Thanks again for all your great work!
Brent

Quote from: MonicaL on Wednesday 30 October 19 22:42 GMT (UK)
A concern I have about one of the potential sets of parents for John you mention, James and Jean (Telfer), is that they look to have left Dumfriesshire for Glasgow at the end of the 1700s. Did they come back in time for John to marry in the Dumfriesshire in 1816  :-\

What were the names of Elizabeth Thomson's parents?

Monica

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Dicksons/Dixons from Canonbie/Middlebie/Langholm research help!
« on: Wednesday 30 October 19 23:10 GMT (UK)  »
Monica:

Parents for Elizabeth were James and Isabel Carruthers.  I'm sorry if your posts were updated or I read too quickly.  We DON'T know for sure that Little is incorrect, but a search of births in the area within the time frame don't leave m/any options.  In addition, the possible dates of birth of John vary from 1841,51,61 censuses to his death and the informer son wasn't present, leading us to believe it could've been an error transferring info. With the christenings I've seen for Middlebie and Canonbie, none include sponsors, witnesses, etc.

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Dicksons/Dixons from Canonbie/Middlebie/Langholm research help!
« on: Wednesday 30 October 19 22:31 GMT (UK)  »
There were Moffats living on each side of the Dixons at Blackcroft, but I haven't made the connection with that Janet.

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Dicksons/Dixons from Canonbie/Middlebie/Langholm research help!
« on: Wednesday 30 October 19 22:29 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, Monica. I've been a member awhile and check in, but haven't posted recently. Appreciate any help!  Yes re: Gravestones at Old Carruthers. 

Death cert details.... 

John Dixon
Farmer
Married to Elizabeth Thomson

1865 July Fifteenth
2 h 30 m am
West Craigs

M
79 years

James Dixon
Farmer
(Deceased)
James Dixon
______ Dixon
M. S. Little
(Deceased)

Old age
No medical attendant

Robert Dixon
Son
Not present

1865
July 22
At Middlebie
Chris Borthwick
Registrar

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Dicksons/Dixons from Canonbie/Middlebie/Langholm research help!
« on: Wednesday 30 October 19 17:38 GMT (UK)  »
We definitely lean to James and Jean Telfer as the likely candidates for parents because of the first son's name of James.  Their other children were: Ann (1817), John (1820), William (1822), Robert (1825), Thomas (1826), and Margaret (1828).  Identifying the birth year would be so helpful.  During this time period, I assumed first marriages would typically occur between ages 16 and 25.  We are working with a couple theories.... one being that he was married first, closer to 18, and divorced or she died during childbirth.  It's also possible (based on some vague records) that he served in the military and married after returning from the War of 1812.

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Dicksons/Dixons from Canonbie/Middlebie/Langholm research help!
« on: Wednesday 30 October 19 15:48 GMT (UK)  »
"John Dixon of Middlebie & Elizabeth Thomson in this parish Jan 26th"

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Dicksons/Dixons from Canonbie/Middlebie/Langholm research help!
« on: Wednesday 30 October 19 15:41 GMT (UK)  »
The marriage was performed at Canonbie.

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Dumfriesshire / Dicksons/Dixons from Canonbie/Middlebie/Langholm research help!
« on: Wednesday 30 October 19 14:40 GMT (UK)  »
Alright super sleuths: I'm trying to identify the parents of John Dixon, born between 1784 and 1790 (corresponding censuses and death record don't match). He married Elizabeth "Betty" Thomson 26 Jan 1816 (maybe a 2nd marriage?).

We believe John's death record incorrectly noted his mother's maiden name as "Little," when his grandmother's maiden name was Little. As a result, and based on dates, location and DNA, I believe we've narrowed down the search of John's parents to one of three brothers:

Simon Dixon who married 1st Elizabeth Richardson and 2nd Mary Tinning;
John Dixon and Jannett Hill;
James Dixon and Jean Telfer.

I've attached John's details, as well as the trees of the brothers who I believe are candidates to be John's father. Any help ruling out or in possibilities, other suggestions for research, or other tips are appreciated!

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