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Oxfordshire / Re: Richard Thomas Burgess - a mystery man!
« on: Thursday 18 August 22 18:47 BST (UK)  »
Might be worth noting that I have a record for Richard Thomas with wife Florence and their 2 eldest children in 1881, but haven’t been able to find him in 51, 61 and 71.

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Oxfordshire / Re: Richard Thomas Burgess - a mystery man!
« on: Thursday 18 August 22 18:44 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: heywood on Thursday 18 August 22 18:38 BST (UK)
It’s difficult because Julia can’t yet be found.
If she were an ‘abandoned’ wife in a census, it would be easy to think that he had changed his surname after the marriage split in order to marry bigamously.

It might also be that she left him but then there would be no need to change his name.

A puzzle  :-\

In all the records I have Richard’s name is listed as Richard Thomas, so if this is him I have no idea where George came from. This is a total mystery!

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Oxfordshire / Re: Richard Thomas Burgess - a mystery man!
« on: Thursday 18 August 22 18:20 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: heywood on Wednesday 17 August 22 22:11 BST (UK)
It may not be.
I just posted it for you to compare the similarities.

There is a bit of a tree for Richard George Beach with a 1911 reference. I considered carefully whether to post the info but ‘Arnold Wimbold’ persuaded me to post for your consideration.

I don’t imagine that Arnold Wimbold was a popular name in any regard so it’s very possible that this could be it but there’s something there we don’t know about. Thanks!

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Oxfordshire / Re: Richard Thomas Burgess - a mystery man!
« on: Wednesday 17 August 22 21:55 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: heywood on Wednesday 17 August 22 21:49 BST (UK)
‘ This seems very very possible but the middle name is different for Richard’

The surname is too - perhaps, if it is him, he had something to hide.

It needs to be checked out in later censuses. I couldn’t find wife Julia Maria Hawgood anywhere either.

Wait I actually don’t think this one is the right Richard, sorry!

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Oxfordshire / Re: Richard Thomas Burgess - a mystery man!
« on: Wednesday 17 August 22 21:52 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 17 August 22 21:45 BST (UK)
1871 Arnold and family, including Richard, are in Thorpe, Windsor. Both are have occupation smith and farrier

Arnold dies June 1872

Hi do you have link to census record?

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Oxfordshire / Re: Richard Thomas Burgess - a mystery man!
« on: Wednesday 17 August 22 21:47 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: heywood on Wednesday 17 August 22 21:25 BST (UK)
There is this family

1861 758 /3/13

Arnold Wimble Beach 34 yrs Farrier b Chertsey, Surrey
Eliza 38yrs
Richard George Beach 9 yrs b Chertsey
Plus other children

Marriage 1873
Richard George Beach, Farrier father Arnold Wimbold Beach deceased Farrier
Julia Maria Hawgood, father Richard Hawgood, Licensed Victualler

I can’t  see this couple in 1881.

This seems very very possible but the middle name is different for Richard :/

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Richard Thomas Burgess - family vanished!!
« on: Wednesday 17 August 22 19:31 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie99 on Wednesday 17 August 22 19:30 BST (UK)
Also posted on Oxfordshire board

Yeah sorry wasn’t sure where to put it as he was born in London but seems to have lived in Oxford a lot of his life

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Richard Thomas Burgess - family vanished!!
« on: Wednesday 17 August 22 18:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi all, I’m researching my step-granddad’s family and have just had the worst luck with finding the family of his great-grandfather, Richard Thomas Burgess.

Concrete information I have is he was born around 1851 (most likely in London as that’s what he states on census records). He married Florence Annie Beesley in September 1877 in St Thomas, Oxford. In 1881 they are living at Upper Fisher Row in Oxford. Richard was a farrier. Richard and Florence had 8 children all born in Oxford - Alice Florence (b. 1879), Arnold Richard Wimbold(?) (b. 1880), Richard Samuel (b. 1885, my step-grandad’s grandfather), Alexander William (b. 1886), Florence Alethea (b. 1889), Reginald Herbert (b. 1892), Aubrey Henry (b. 1894), and Ruby Hilda (b. 1895).

The only mention of Richard’s father I have been able to find is on a marriage bann record, which states his father name was Arnold Wimbold Burgess, a farrier. This makes sense as it’s the name of his first son and the same occupation. However I haven’t been able to find anything on Arnold, or anything on Richard’s mother. Family are possibly from London. I assume Wimbold is the maiden name of a mother or grandmother or something along those lines but I haven’t been able to find anything.

Any and all help is greatly greatly appreciated here as my granddad knows nothing of this side of his family. Thank you all so much!

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Oxfordshire / Richard Thomas Burgess - a mystery man!
« on: Wednesday 17 August 22 18:27 BST (UK)  »
Hi all, I’m researching my step-granddad’s family and have just had the worst luck with finding the family of his great-grandfather, Richard Thomas Burgess.

Concrete information I have is he was born around 1851 (most likely in London as that’s what he states on census records). He married Florence Annie Beesley in September 1877 in St Thomas, Oxford. In 1881 they are living at Upper Fisher Row in Oxford. Richard was a farrier. Richard and Florence had 8 children all born in Oxford - Alice Florence (b. 1879), Arnold Richard Wimbold(?) (b. 1880), Richard Samuel (b. 1885, my step-grandad’s grandfather), Alexander William (b. 1886), Florence Alethea (b. 1889), Reginald Herbert (b. 1892), Aubrey Henry (b. 1894), and Ruby Hilda (b. 1895).

The only mention of Richard’s father I have been able to find is on a marriage bann record, which states his father name was Arnold Wimbold Burgess, a farrier. This makes sense as it’s the name of his first son and the same occupation. However I haven’t been able to find anything on Arnold, or anything on Richard’s mother. Family are possibly from London. I assume Wimbold is the maiden name of a mother or grandmother or something along those lines but I haven’t been able to find anything. I’ve attached the marriage record as I’m worried that maybe I’m reading it wrong? It’s just frustrating to look for so long and still come up with nothing!

Any and all help is greatly greatly appreciated here as my granddad knows nothing of this side of his family. Thank you all so much!

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