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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Pierre Blondeau: French Death in 1778
« on: Friday 26 March 21 05:06 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Daffern,

I read it as follows:

On Oct 20th 1778
Pierre Blondeau, journeyman, who died on the previous day aged 70 to 72 and was married at St Pierre's church to Madeleinne Villefeu, widow in first marriage of Marin Touché, 
was buried in the cemetery of this town by us, priest of St Nicolas' parish of Le Mans.

So his wife was actually a widow before she married him.

Hope this helps

Tati  :)

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Europe / Re: France: Smagge, Matton & Roseau
« on: Friday 25 October 13 17:00 BST (UK)  »
Francois Xavier Ryckelynck - 1877 Bollezeele page 882/892
6 Feb 1877. Aged 77, rentier (annuitant), born & residing Bollezeele. Son of Michel and Marie Cécile (something), widower of Pélagie Cécile Baers, all 3 of whom died Bollezeele.
Died in the home of his son, (the informant) Charles Edouard Ryckelynck, 47, cultivateur (farmer) and François Pyck, nephew, 61, cultivateur. 

Bollezeele births 1793-1802 page 12/540 bottom left
Child of Michel Matton & Marie Ryngeart
26 Oct 1793.
Birth registration of a boy (Charles Benoit), born Bollezeele, aged 2 years - never seen this before. I wonder if it should say 2 days instead of 2 years.
Parents Michel Matton, farmer, 45, born Segerscappel and Marie Catherine Cécile Ryngaert. Informants the father + François Ryngaert, brewer, 42, born and residing Bollezeele.

page 30-31/540
22 thermidor an 2 (8 Aug 1794)
birth Pierre Jean Matton, born same day. Parents Michel François Xavier Bouduin Matton, farmer, born Zegerscappel and his wife Marie Catherine Cécile Ryngaert. Witnesses Jean (can't read), farmer, 49, b. Zegerscappel and Marie Jeanne Thérèse Degrasco(?), wife of François Ryngaert, 28, born Zegerscappel. Both residing Bollezeele.

page 53-54/540
5 thermidor an 2 (July 1794)
Death registration Micheline Thérèse Baert, 68, born Zegerscappel.
Informants Boudouin Matton, husband, rentier, 70, born Lederzeele & Michel Matton farmer, 45, b. Zegerscappel, both residing Bollezeele. 
Doesn't say her parents' names.

page 118/540 pierre jean matton
11 Frimaire an 3*
Death registration Pierre Jean Matton, aged 4 months, born Bollezeele (parents Michel & Marie).
Informant Michel Matton farmer, 45, b. Zegerscappel, father + someone unrelated.

page 144/540 Victoire Xavier Matton
28 Nivôse an 4*
birth Victoire Xaverie (should be Xavière I suppose) Matton born previous day. Parents' details as usual (Michel and Marie)
Witness Pierre Jean Ryngaert, bachelor, 32, residing Buysscheure and Rosalie Drieux, wife of Jean Baptiste Ryngaert, 26, residing Bollezeele.

page 207/540 Xavier Ambroise Matton
29 pluviose an 5*
Birth Xavier Ambroise Matton, parents Michel & Marie details as usual
Witnesses don't seem to be related 

*Here's a link to a date converter
http://www.poissons52.fr/histoire/revolution1789/calendrier_v.php

Did you have a look at the tree Garstonite posted a link to ? Lots of information on there.
http://gw.geneanet.org/becuwe?lang=en&v=MATTON&m=N

 :)

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Europe / Re: France: Alfred FLINDERS
« on: Thursday 24 October 13 18:20 BST (UK)  »
Hi Sylvia,

I haven't personally any Flinders but it appears that the Henry Flinders born Nottingham 16 Feb 1807 went on to marry and die in France.

There's this marriage:
Lyon, 3e arrondissement, 11 Oct 1853
Marriage Henri Flinders, born Nottingham 16 Feb 1807, legitimate son of William Flinders (died Nottingham 14 May 1850) and Elizabeth Wright (died Nottingham 27 Dec 1847)
Bride Marie Dorothée Alig.

This same Henry goes on to have a 2nd wife in Lyon and die there in 1877.
 
Sorry if this comes as bad news for you  :-\

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Europe / Re: France: Smagge, Matton & Roseau
« on: Thursday 24 October 13 14:06 BST (UK)  »
I think the record isn't accurate as to Mr. Ryckelynck's relationship. We met him earlier on this thread, at Marie Catherine Cécilé Ryngart's death in 1836. He was said to be her "son by marriage" (married to a daughter, I suppose)

Charlotte Stephanie Matton birth registration 23 Apr 1837, death registration 29 Apr 1837

(The record Francois Xavier Ryckelynck - 1846 Bollezeele page 398/1129 is a birth record)

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Europe / Re: France: Smagge, Matton & Roseau
« on: Thursday 24 October 13 12:41 BST (UK)  »
Hello again Cherie  :)

I'm impressed at how much we already know. I hope this is not going to look like a mess later (didn't I read something about posts being modifiable for merely 24 hours? Someone please correct if I'm wrong, hadn't been on this site for ages)

Anyway, here we go: 

Marriage of Xavier Ambroise Matton & Reine Virginie Cailliau, BUYSSCHEURE page 652/1334
7 Oct 1834
Xavier Ambroise Maton, 37, born Bollezeele 29 pluviose an 5 (17 Feb 1797), residing Dunkerque. shoemaker, parents Michel François Bouduin Matton (died Bollezeele 14 May 1811) and Marie Catherine Adèle Ryngaert, menagère (housewife,, if a widow can be called that), residing Bollezeele, attending.
Reine Virginie Cailliard, 28, spinner, residing Buysscheure, born 18 Feb 1806, parents Jean-Baptiste Cailliard (died 16 Feb 1815) and Maria Jeanne Petronille Fenaert(?), menagère, residing Buysscheure, attending.
Presence Bertin Baert, 53, merchant, and François Ryckelynck, 34, farmer, both uterine brothers (that’s half-brothers on mother’s side) of the groom and residing Bollezeele. (+ wife’s brother and a 4th person)

Charlotte Stephanie Matton
BUYSSCHEURE
Birth: p717/1334 : Girl born previous day. Dad is 39, a baker, residing Buysscheure. Witnesses not related.
Death: p718/1334. Girl died previous day, aged 8 days, at father’s abode

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Europe / Re: France: Smagge, Matton & Roseau
« on: Thursday 24 October 13 08:50 BST (UK)  »
OK, seems Pierre Jacques was Pierre Jean's half-brother:

6 Oct 1737 Ebblinhem, p719/1183
christening Pierre Jean Smagge, legitimate son of Jean François Smagghe and Marie Josyne Martens. Godparents François Pierre Sergneraet and Marie Petronelle Montel.

Burial Marie Josyne Marthens 20 Apr 1738 (p728), aged 26, wife of Jean François Smagghe. Presence husband Jean François Smagge (signs) and father Joos Marthens (signs)

Jean-François remarries soon after: 1 Jul 1738 (p731) Marriage Jean François Smagghe, 30, son of Matthieu Smagghe and Micheline Bodaert, widower of Marie Josyne Marthens to Marie Anne François Germet, aged 20.

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Europe / Re: France: Smagge, Matton & Roseau
« on: Wednesday 23 October 13 19:17 BST (UK)  »
Do we want to trace the Smagges back a little? (Sorry if you didn't!! :P)

Ebblinghem church records
11 Jan 1791 (p285/323) christening of Jean Constant Smagge born the same day, posthumous son of Pierre Jean Smagge. Mother Pétronille Rosalie Thibeau. Godparents Pierre Jacques Smagge (the boy's uncle, who signs) and Louise Pétronille(?) Goddeliève(?) Smagge (the boy's aunt, who doesn't sign)

previous page
5 Jan 1791 burial Pierre Jean Smagge, husband of Pétronille Rosalie Thiebau, native of this parish. Died 2 days earlier, aged about 52. Presence of his brothers Jacques Smagge and Jean François Xavier Smagge (both sign).
Seems to me "Pierre Jacques" and "Jacques" Smagge are one and the same person => same signature 

Back to civil registration records for Rosalie's death:
7 Mar 1813, p489/961
Death registration Rosalie Thibaut (died 6 March), 66, spinner, widow of Pierre Smagge, born in Cassel, daughter of the late Jacques Thibaut and Rosalie Bogaert.

I'm adding the death of Pierre Jacques (Pierre Jean's brother) which occurred after the start of civil registration, to get their parents' names:
17 pluviose an 12 (7 Feb 1804), p307/961
Death registration Pierre Jacques Smagge, husband of Agnes Joly, farmer and mayor of Ebblinghem. Legitimate son of Jean Smagge and Marie Anne Germet

 :)

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Suffolk / Re: Anyone lost an Ann Smith born Bury St Edmunds 1802?
« on: Wednesday 23 October 13 17:59 BST (UK)  »
Well, what a service! I wasn't expecting any replies to this but I should have known you guys are always on the ball  8)

Hope someone can claim her!

I've modified the post title to reflect the 1802 birth you found, Sue.

 :)

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Europe / Re: France: Smagge, Matton & Roseau
« on: Wednesday 23 October 13 17:50 BST (UK)  »
Bollezeele page 107/1164
26 May 1821
Birth registration Pierre Francois Louis Devos, born the previous day
Parents Pierre François Joseph Devos, 34, journalier (journeyman), residing Bollezeele born Cappellebrouck, and his wife Victoire Xavère Matton born & residing Bollezeele (doesn't give her age).
Witness Philippe Jacques Straseele, cultivateur, residing Bollezeele, 44, half-uncle by marriage of the newborn.
The other witness, Martin Devulder, not related. 

Just for the record, I saw 2 death registrations of Roseau children in Buysscheure, both belonging to Pierre François and his first wife:
4 Oct 1847, Ambroisine Reine Marie Roseau aged 2 (born Buysscheure 3 oct 1845)
16 Apr 1849, Victoire Delphine Roseau aged 7 (born Saint-Omer dépt. Pas de Calais 23 Jul 1841, p436/1397. Archives here http://www.archivespasdecalais.fr/Archives-en-ligne )

 :)

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