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Travelling People / Update on George Oxby Smith 1868-1947
« on: Wednesday 24 February 21 20:39 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, I have an update on George Oxby Smith and his wives...

George Oxby Smith was born in a tent, Staunton-on-the-Wolds, Notts on the 13 March 1868.  On his birth cert his father is given as John Smith a Labourer and his mother as Mary Smith, Previously Smith.

He was Baptised 18 Mar 1868 Staunton-on-the-Wolds, Notts.  His father is given as John Smith, mother Maria - Gipsies.

During the 1891 census he is encamped in Checkley, Cheadle, Staffs aged 24 with Ellen Smith (Clayton) 21, Arthur Smith 24, Mary Ann Smith 24 (our direct ancestor and sister of George Oxby Smith) and her child Francis Smith aged 1.

George Oxby Smith died on 5 Feb 1947 at 4 Keswick Street Sneinton, Nottingham.  His death was registered by E Doyle, daughter of 4 Keswick Street.  She is Ellen Hetty Smith bn 1 Jul 1920, her mother being Agnes White. Ellen Hetty is now the partner of an Andrew Doyle 1915-1980.
George was buried 11 Feb 1947 Wilford Hill Cem, Nottingham in the same grave as Agnes and their son Albert Henry Smith 1925-1955 (he died in Sidcup, Kent).

Ellen Clayton died on 12 Apr 1912 - I think she died having her last child Sidney Smith, on the 1939 Register Sidney Smith says his date of birth is 21 Apr 1912 - I think he has transposed the numbers.  Ellen Clayton was buried on the 15 Apr 1912 in the General Cemetery, Nottingham.

George then marries Agnes White on 27 Jul 1912.  On the 1939 register Agnes give her DOB as 5 Nov 1893 - Her death certificate says she was born 29 Nov 1892 in Dundee, Scotland.  Agnes died on 5 Nov 1971 in Homewell Walk, Nottingham.  Her death was registered by E Elliott, daughter - this is the same Ellen Hetty Smith that registered George's death.  She is now the partner of Walter/William? Elliott 1920-1962 son of Everett Elliott 1898-1933 and Betsy Elizabeth Woodward 1901-1967.

After George's death Agnes married Arthur Orpe a Night Watch Man 1894-1966 in 1949.
Agnes was buried on the 11 Nov 1971 with George and their son.  No other people are in this grave.

Ellen Clayton
I'm wondering if her parents were
Frederick Clayton bn 1829 Wilshaw, Sutton-in-Ashfield
and
Louisa Clayton bn 1828 Berkswell, Warwickshire died 1909 Staffs.

Newspaper Reports in summary:

Newspaper Article
16 Mar 1909 • Offence in Pullman Street, Nottingham
George Smith a Hawker of Sneinton in trouble for stealing a washing line clothes prop in Pullman Street, he promised to behave himself and was let go.

Newspaper Article
28 Jan 1921 • Crown and Anchor, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
John Spencer 26, Hawker of 75 Red Lion St and George Jones alias Spencer 21 Hawker of 95 Red Lion St chgd with wilfully wounding George with intent to harm by shooting his son Tom Smith. George was shot in the cheek-both prisoners were wanted by warrant.

Newspaper Article
27 Feb 1926 • Living in a van, Hawthorne Street, Nottingham
Got into a fight - he and his sons refused to leave The Travellers Rest - George was fined and Frank and Thomas got prison for assaulting a PC.

Newspaper Article
19 Jan 1929 • Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
George was shot in the chin by John Spencer who also tried to shoot George's son Tom Smith.
Sent to prison for beating his wife.

2 Aug 1929 • Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
She claimed he had beater and pushed her out of a horse and cart, GS and a son said she fell. Stated that George had 15 children aged 40-17 - 4 with Agnes all under 16. she had left him on 6 previous occasions.  George had 81 previous convictions - none of his children showed any sympathy towards Agnes. She was said to be black and blue with bruises. George burst into tears when sentenced.

Newspaper Article
27 Jan 1937 • of Walker Street, Nottingham, Nottingham,shire, England
George was Summonds for allowing William Chalk of Walker Street to use his car without insurance - George was fined £3.00.

Newspaper Article
16 Mar 1937 • of - 52 Walker Street, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
George was taken drunk to Leanside Police Station. He was found to have £151.18s in his pocket (that is equivalent to £7,600 in todays money) - George left with a caution.
Newspaper Article
24 May 1937 • of 52 Walker Street, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
George Smith of 52 Walker Street charged with allowing Sidney Smith, his son to drive George's car unsupervised (while he was a learner with no license).

I'm still trying to work out all of Georges Children:  Any suggestions or help would be great...  I'm also working on his 2 brother who also lived in Nottingham.  I think they have both been mentioned by me before, but am focussing on the now as well.  They are:

Thomas Albert Smith 1863-1928

William Smith 1867-1947

Bye for now
Kazi







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Hi,
I'm looking for information on the Buckland family that appears on the 1911 census living at 19 Wellington Terrace, Montague Street, Edmonton, Middlesex.  The surname is transcribed as Butland on the census.
The family member are:

Henry Buckland 37 bn Marlow Bucks
Louisa (she we think is a smith but could be a wilson) 37 bn Ealing
Rodney Buckland 19 bn Harrow
Henry Buckland 17 bn Tottenham
John Buckland 9 bn Harrow
Sidney Buckland 7 bn ?
Ada Buckland 5 bn Edmonton
Sarah Buckland 3 bn Edmonton
Polly Buckland 5mon bn Edmonton
Other Children:
Maria Buckland 20 bn Tottenham
Sinana (?) Buckland (female) 22 bn Wandsworth...

Does anyone recognise these people?

Any help would be lovely.
Kazi

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Travelling People / Robert White - Scissor Grinder
« on: Wednesday 10 July 19 11:02 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
I'm looking for help.  I have the marriage certificate for Agnes White bn 5 Nov 1893.  She married in Nottingham 1912 to George Smith bn 1866 s/o Johnny Smith and Maria Smith.  Agnes gives her father as Robert White deceased, Scissor Grinder.  I can't find any information out on the White's before this date.  Agnes goes in to marry in West Bromwich a William Davies after George's death.  Does anyone have any information or suggestions???
Kazi

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Travelling People / Gypsy/Travellers Nottinghamshire
« on: Friday 04 January 13 18:58 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

Not too good at working this site...  But have been to the archives today and want to share the information I have found.

Baps.

Stanton-on the-Wolds
March 18th 1867
George Oxby SMITH
parents John & Maria SMITH
abode Stanton
Occ - Gypsies

Kimberley Notts
November 17th 1873
Kezia SMITH
parents John & Maria SMITH
abode Kimberley
Occ - Hawker

Arnold Notts
Mary Ann SMITH
6th May 1870
parents John & Maria SMITH
abode Arnold
Occ - Horse Dealer

Hope this helps someone...
Kaziah


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Travelling People / Traveller Leicestershire/Notts
« on: Friday 20 April 12 23:43 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I need some help.

I have a John Smith bn c1833
Co- wives are
Maria  ???   bn 1835/37  Salford Leices
Carolina/Selina  ???  bn 1832/33  Freeby/Frisby Leicestershire

I'm trying to find out the surnames of the wives - or were they Smiths also??
Any help or suggestion please...

I think there could be a connection to the Booth/Plumb family too

I have this so far:
1871 Land society field caravan sneinton Notts
John Smith 37  Travelling pedlar living in caravan bn NK
Maria          34
Cinymenta   14
William         6
George         3
Selina           5
Mary Ann       0    (this is our relative)
Co-wife on the same listing
Selina (as sister)  39
Eliza                      14
Beatrice                 11
Thomas                  8
Jemima                   6
John                       0
Frederick                3

1881 census  Gypsy's Van Pickwell Leic
John Smith       47   Hawker   Bn Tur Langton
Maria                45       "               Scalford
Florie                 5        "               Goadby
Kesiah                7       "               Kimberley
Mary Ann           11       "              Arnold
George              13       "              Stanton
William               16      "               Willoughby
Joseph               3                        Breedon
Jane                  24                        Harby
Carolina             15                      Bingham

Next Van
Carolina Spiver  48  Hawker    bn   Freeby      Says shes a widow
Thomas A  "       16                         Plumbtree
Frederick   "        13                        Woodhouse
Jack           "         10                       Barrow
Jemima      "         16                        blidworth
Marienne              8                         Mapperley Hill
Beattie                 21                       Braunston

I think John bn 1833 may be the son of
Samuel Smith bn 1800
and
Cinnamenta Smith bn 1792
Siblings maybe
Wrighton Smith 1825
Cynthia Smith  1823
Plato Smith 1822
Byrewenty Smith 1820
Cinamenta Smith 1819
Phiniel Smith 1818
Spiratana Smith 1815
Nathaniel Smith 1815

I could have this all wrong - but would love any help or pointer in the right direction...
Kaziah

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Nottinghamshire / smith/booth gypsies nottingham
« on: Wednesday 29 February 12 01:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

I'm doing my sons family history.  We know that his Gt Gt Grandmother was Mary Ann Smith bn 1871 in a gypsy caraven.  Her parents were John smith bn 1834 and Maria ? bn 1837.
I have found them on 1871 & 1881 census.

1871 their children are listed as
Cinymentia Smith bn 1857
William Smith bn 1865
George Smith bn 1868
Selina Smith bn 1866
Mary Ann Smith bn 1871

by 1881 they had also had
Florrie Smith bn 1876
Kesiah Smith bn 1874
Joseph Smith bn 1878

in 1881 they are next to a Spiver family who look connected.

There is also a Selina Smith bn 1832 with 5 children near them on the 1871 census who looks related.
Next to them is an Everitt Plumb with a Keziah Smith and what looks like their 5 children.

Does anyone have any other information on this family??? Or any pointer on where I can look?  Any help gratefully recieved.

Kazi

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