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Most of my branches are developing well and have born interesting fruit.

However, my father's bloodline remains elusive to progress (well - for me at the moment). I have had a previous post to help my ggf John 1857 ' brickwall ' and the advice from those helping was to obtain his first marriage certificate, which I was able to do ( I copied it to my original post). That gave his father's name - Edward but armed with this, I have still been unable to 'leap forward'.

Another thought was to develop John's children with a view that that may be easier and release some new information from another angle. But his children's records also seem very elusive (to me).

I currently have these details for the family:

Edward (father of John from the Marriage Certificate of John and Mary Hawthorn 1882 Salford)

John (previous post will show there are 2 possibilities for birth ?) 1857. I know he was born Lloughlyn, County Roscommon, Ireland from Census info.

First Marriage 1882 Mary Hawthorn(e) - Confirmed with actual marriage cert ordered/rec'd

Children:

Edward 1883 - Marriage possibilities two - Rose Ann Dodd 1903 (8d 181), Marguerite Simpson 1907 (8d 219) ?

James   1885 - Marriage possibly to Mary Agnes Derbyshire but I believe she was born in Germany and I can find no further information as to whether Derbyshire is Maiden or previous marriage name or Wedding citation to James.
John     1887 - Little found
Charles 1889 - Little found
William Henry 1891 - Little found

& Joseph 1893 (my grandfather)

I have been able to confirm all the above on GRO with Hawthorn as MMN.

1891 Census shows them all (apart from Joseph) BUT transcribed as Hawthorn(e) as surname NOT Duffy.

I have trawled through the transcribed Ordsall (I believe they resided), Salford Parish Church records to confirm Baptisms but all notes on these just give John & Mary as parents. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Salford/


I am not coming from this from a specific person point of view. Could anyone find a bit more information or citation/record proof for any of these ancestors ? One piece may unlock my ability to shuffle forward with the others in family or indeed 'unlock' the Duffy Family Ireland to Salford era brickwall.

I utilise Family Search which does not yield anything for my searches on these individuals. I also use FreeBMD and GRO. I am not on Ancestry or similar due to cost.

Always amazed and grateful at what is found by the members

Thank you

Family line: Mayberry, Chapel Hill, Monmouthshire, Wales

Esther Mayberry 1782 - 1824 >>>

Edward Mayberry 1758 (Father) married Mary Jones (mother).


I am seeking clarity on records regarding Edward / Mary. FamilySearch arrives with little and again I am not able to use premium sites.


Searching I have located a marriage citation for Mary Jones to an Edward Jones 5th Sept 1782 in Monmouthshire, Wales which would fit my thoughts on the marriage.

Esther was born 1782 (although being Sept Mary would have been pregnant if this was the marriage for my family - that doesn;t fit with the 'usual remit' of marriage the year before child).


I cannot find records online to read an entry and confirm if it may have been transcribed incorrectly ie Edward Jones instead of Edward Mayberry.


A bit of a brickwall which needs a fresh pair of eyes cause i'm spinning


Would be grateful for anothers investigatory skills or ability to sight entry through another source not available to me.


To clarify : Esther's details are good / Edward as father is confirmed, the rest is investigation findings at the moment.


Thanks

Died 1921 aged '52'
GRO Poplar 1c 777

Birth therefore should be either 1868 or 1869 if death aged is to be believed.

Trying to locate Birth Cert with 'Birth date / Christening Date' and 'Parents details'.

I imagine with parents names a search of Family Search would highlight the right register but just searching Eliza Down, brings up little I can confirm.

I believe it maybe on Ancestry as a search shows:

London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Birth, Baptism & Christening
.
Record information.
Name
Eliza Elizabeth Down

but no birth year noted. Possible 'image' seems to indicate a record or 'page image' of the actual Parish Register but I cannot progress further atm to view.

Is anyone able to transcript or attach image of the document for me.?

Thanks

Marriage Certificate

Job Dutton
Sophia

17 March 1816
Holy Trinity Clapham
Lambeth London

Questions:

(1) This photocopy of Wedding Certificate suggests brides Maiden Name to be DUTTON same as grooms last name. Is this likely or would experience tell you this is wrong ? Can anybody help search brides maiden name for clarification.

(2) In the presence of ............?

Top line > I can read 'Dutton' as surname - any more help?
Second line >   ?  Arnold    Anna Maria (?) Dutton ??
Third Line > ? Dutton

Ideally I am looking for parents details from this certificate to progress line.

I have that Job and Sophia had 9 children the eldest I have as Anna Maria 1817 which leads me to read same on possible witness ie naming child same as parent.

Any thoughts, links or suggestions welcome.

Thanks