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Hello Alan,

I'm sorry but I can't find anything on James Williams. Information on early baptists seems a bit thin.

The bankruptcy references were in the London Gazette. Henry was living at Upper Laws Street, Pembroke Dock at the time (1868), and before that Front Street.

Genuki for Pembroke St Mary gives Henry as minister of Bethany English Baptist Chapel, P. D. in 1851. He also conducted a marriage there in the 1860's. as Rev Henry Morgan.(Pembrokeshire Herald)

Those are the only references I have found. His baptism record might be in the Rhydwilym Baptist records which covered the Llanddewi area. Those records are not online, but someone on the Pembrokeshire list might have access. Whether parents names are given is debatable.

Regards,

Rhosgoch

Hi Teiloeye,

I had made the connection of Daniel Morgan. I expect you know that Daniel's wife Mary is the sister of John Rowland who married Lizzie Lord Morgan.

John Morgan of Forge, and Theophilus "Hoffi'r gof" Morgan were both baptising children in Henllan Chapel at the same time - John Morgan's children identified as "of Forge". There were 13 although I have only identified 11. Of the other Morgan baptisms I have identified the ones listed before as being Theophilus's. Therefore if there is a connection between the two families it would have been at least a generation before.

It took me a very long time to trace Lizzie Lord Morgan and her husband John Rowland back to Lampeter Velfrey. They married in the Methodist chapel in Liverpool with no indication of where they were from. I traced Lizzie in Lancashire in 1881, born Middlesex, but I couldn't find her earlier. The only Morgan - Lord marriage of the right time was in Bristol so I took a chance and got the marriage certificate and found Theophilus Morgan. A look at the Lampeter Velfrey census showed Theophilus practically next door to John Rowland Sr - I found both families at once.

You are correct in most of what you know of Lizzie. The one thing you didn't know is that John and Lizzie had 3 sons, the oldest William Sydney is the direct ancestor of my cousin. John Rowland was the son of Blaengwaithnoah which your Daniel married into. Thomas James was from Loveston, and joined the police force before moving to London. Thomas and Lizzie and their family emigrated to Halifax, Nova Scotia in 1908, later moving to Niagara Township, Ontario and eventually to Toronto. Lizzie died in 1929 in Toronto.

Lizzie certainly led an eventful life, and I was so pleased to make the breakthrough and find the fascinating Morgan story. The Rowland story was much easier once I found them as they lived in Blaengwaithnoah for many generations.

Rhosgoch

Thomas William, farmers son, of Kiffig Parish, married Esther Willy, spinster of Kiffig Parish, in Kiffig Church, Carmarthenshire on 17 April 1824. Both signed their names in the presence of Jonathon Morgan and William Williams. There are no parents names given in the banns.

Esther (Hester) was from Trevaughan, Whitland, which is in Kiffig Parish.

The following children were baptised in Kiffig Church:

David bap. 27 June 1824 - Parkcwm, Kiffig
Elizabeth bap 15 February 1826 - Parkcwm, Kiffig
Sarah bap 27 December 1829 - Amroth Parish.
No record of George c1838.

Rhosgoch

Sorry, my Rhosgoch is in the west of the county and was a large farm. Mother's family originated in the Llanwinio area, then Laugharne. Would have been nice to have made a connection. R.

The baptisms are on Familysearch, but to see images of the register you will have to go to Findmypast and buy credits or a subscription.

The census information again on Familysearch, but to see images you will have to go to Findmypast or Ancestry, and spend money.

Regards,

Rhosgoch