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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: Robert Webster
« on: Monday 07 November 05 20:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Irene

There may well be a record, though it might just be a notice of death. I'm not sure which newspaper would have it though, not being a native of those parts. Do you have the exact date? I have someone who looked up something in a paper for me recently and seemed keen to help again, so could ask him, but it would be better with an exact date...

Jo

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: Robert Webster
« on: Monday 07 November 05 18:15 GMT (UK)  »
Have you looked at the 1851 census for Kells?

http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx

Robert and  Jean and parents Alexander and Janet are there.

Jo

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Kirkcudbrightshire / Re: Census Lookup for Gordon/Charters/Taylor
« on: Monday 07 November 05 18:02 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jo from another Jo

If you look at the 1851 census for Balmaghie, household number 2/2 looks likely for your family:

http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx

There is a Thomas Gordon and wife Isabella and lots of children!

From it you can find out that Thomas was born in Tongland about 1788 and Isabella in Balmaghie about 1808, so that should help with finding their parents too. If an Isabella Charters was born around that year, it looks likely. You may also find a gravestone for the family in the Balmaghie MIs which mentions Isabella's maiden name, and then you can be pretty sure it is the right family.

Someone may be able to do a lookup for you sooner than I can, but if not, let me know and I will have a look at the parish registers and MIs when next in Edinburgh

Jo


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Dumfriesshire / Re: 1851 Census Lookup Langholm Dumfries
« on: Monday 07 November 05 12:31 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry me again, but this is exciting

Your Janet Hope's parents are still alive in Langholm too along with Janet's 2 unmarried siblings. Look for house 2/32.

And interestingly, one of the Isabella Irvings lives in the same street as them - Henry Street. (2/46)

Right must go and do some work.

Good luck!

Jo

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Dumfriesshire / Re: 1851 Census Lookup Langholm Dumfries
« on: Monday 07 November 05 12:19 GMT (UK)  »
PS I expect you know that Scottish families often, but not always, called the first children after grandparents. In the Hope family, the oldest child is James, then  Anthony, then Elizabeth then Catherine. You will see that  Anthony and Catherine are after the maternal grandparents, so that makes the Janet Yeoman birth that Anne found pretty much cast-iron.

However, if that pattern has been followed, then I would expect James's parents to be called James and Elizabeth. There is no George or Agnes, which means that the James Hope born in Gretna may not be the right one...  However, you are lucky in that James presumably died after 1855 in which case there will be a death certificate (assuming he died in Scotland) which will tell you who his parents were and where he was born.

The other thing to do is to get someone to look up the memorial inscriptions for Langholm churchyard. There may well be a gravestone that would help you out. Sometimes they mention parents too.

Jo



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Dumfriesshire / Re: 1851 Census Lookup Langholm Dumfries
« on: Monday 07 November 05 11:58 GMT (UK)  »
No you don't have to register or pay. Just enter the details in the search form on this page:

http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx

They've done a great job putting all the data online - and for free. I think it is a copyright issue that prevents me just copying the info, so you have to go and look yourself.

It took me a wee while to get to grips with it though. The trick is to first search for an individual and from that search find the one that looks most likely (from where they are living, their age or where they were born) and then look for the Household number - in your case 6/14. Then go back to the search form again and this time remove the individual's name and surname and just enter the parish name and the Household No. Then you are taken to see all the individuals listed in that house, which could include servants or nephews or mothers-in-law, all with different surnames from the one you are looking for.

You won't find Isabella Irving Hope because she was born 2 years after the census, but you will find all your Hope family, including 5 children and a servant and you can find out age, where they were born (which helps with the trace back), occupation, etc. From the ages, it looks as though Anne's message is spot on for the births of James and Janet

It's a treasure trove!

Jo

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Dumfriesshire / Re: 1851 Census Lookup Langholm Dumfries
« on: Monday 07 November 05 10:32 GMT (UK)  »
You are lucky that you have the census to refer to at just the right time...

I only found out about the minister's daughter because she happened to die young and her name caught my eye as I was looking through the parish registers. I had wondered where the family had come up with such a fanciful name as Jane Eleonora among all the Marys and Elizabeths!

The other one I know of in my family - Archibald Ritchie CURRIE - was easy because we have letters referring to his father's great friend Archibald Ritchie.

However, I have yet to solve my own little mystery. My ggg grandfather was James Charters CURRIE and I am convinced there is a James Charters out there...

I think it is rather nice to think that your forebear was called after someone who was obviosly a special friend to the family and therefore probably a rather nice person.

Jo

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Dumfriesshire / Re: 1851 Census Lookup Langholm Dumfries
« on: Monday 07 November 05 09:50 GMT (UK)  »
Reading this with interest...

Just something to consider. I have one or two instances of people in my family being named after individuals who were friends, rather than actual family members. This especially seems to have happened in large families when they might have run out of family names!

I would have a go at seeing if you can find an Isabella Irving around the time of her birth. In fact - if you look in the 1851 census for Dumfries and Galloway (link in Nuspy's message) you will find 5 Isabella Irvings living in Langholm that look to fit the bill. (Search for Irving, Isabella and put Langholm into the drop-down box).

You can then enter the Household No for each individual into the search form (along with just the parish, ie Langholm) and have a look at the families and decide which might fit the bill. One family is living on the same street as your family so it might be them...

I'm pretty sure that is where your Irving name has come from as your Isabella is born in 1853, just 2 years after this census.

I found that the 16th child of one of my ancestors was called after the local minister's 12 year old daughter.

All the best

Jo


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