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McVeigh:

I do not have much.

My connection with McVeigh, (my husband's family) is through a Conkey line. My husband's line was through Alexander Conkey and Isabella McIlveen who had 7 children, the oldest son, Samuel, is our line. His sister, Martha, the youngest child, married a James McVeigh sometime after 1872 (we have a family note that Martha Conkey was present at the death of her sister, Eliza, in 1872). Other than that, I do not have any dates, but she would have been born in the 1850s likely, County Down.

Comes from my mother in law’s notes:

From my mother-in-law's notes she left, made at the time of their trip to Scotland and Ireland, Martha married James McVeigh. In the 1960s, a McVeigh still lived in the Killinchy-Killyleagh-Ballymacashen area, they corresponded, visited, and he provided some Conkey information. My parents had gone to to Alexander Conkey's house which was still standing and the family knew the McVeigh's and relationship to Alexander Conkey. She received a list of children for Martha and James McVeigh:
Isabella
James
Jane
Alex
Hugh
Samuel
Martha

Is this your family? Where did they come to in the US? Three Conkey daughters, cousins I presume, (nieces of Martha Conkey McVeigh) came to New York State near Rochester, but I think one went into Pennsylvania after marriage .

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Kent / Re: John Saxby, will dated 1790, Goldhill, Hadlow (Tonbridge) Kent
« on: Tuesday 01 November 11 13:53 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, Elizabeth Saxby m. John Bassett, is sister to my John Saxby who married Elizabeth Bassett.

Re: the Bassetts, John Bassett is son of John Bassett and Anne Cronke. Elizabeth Bassett was a grand-daughter so they had a relationship too. There are two good Bassett family websites that I have found, that seem to agree on this line. bassett.newtons-online.net and bassettbranches.org which has a dna project going.

I have determined that John Saxby and his sister, Elizabeth, were the children of an earlier post, John and Elizabeth Saxby of Penshurst. I do not have a surname for this mother, Elizabeth. This I determined through some Penshurst Church records, links in above post (THANK YOU bearkat). Children from late 1600s to abt 1716 would be Richard, Elizabeth m John Bassett, Ann, Susannah, Mary, John m Elizabeth Bassett, Robert, Henry. I do not have an earlier generation for certain, possibly Henry and Ann Saxby.

All of these Johns and Elizabeths make my head spin, especially with the repeating last names.

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Lancashire Lookup Requests / Re: Joseph BAINES b. 1807 Claughton on Brock
« on: Tuesday 21 June 11 15:17 BST (UK)  »
@ Mike

Thank you. I don't have her, but must be same family.

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It looks like there may be no connection. I have wills for some family members, no mention of Leigh. Also I found one for a John Milles of Horsmonden, who died in 1760, with brother Thomas, so this is most likely the John, son of John Milles (d. 1730) mentioned in title. I had not been able to track him before and thought he might me mine.

So that leaves me with my John Miles, yeoman, died 1744 in Leigh, Kent. Where is his birth, and parents? He does appear to be the John Miles who married twice (Susanna Stephens in Horsmonden and Elizabeth) with children baptised in Brenchley because all 8 names of the christened children match all 8 names of his children in his will, and his oldest daughter, Elizabeth, was married and lived in Brenchley. Son Samuel's date of birth also matches my Samuel.

I am at a dead end.

Too many Miles with too few given names.  ???

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Uh oh, just noticed the typo! I cannot believe I did that. Hagen. Oh brother, forever a typo in my handle! How embarrassing.
The Hagen connect is Quaker from Friedrichstadt, Germany, probably Dutch, who went to London. SORRY for the red herring there.

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I have a silly question which, after a good night's sleep I might be able to figure out..

Is there a way to search for Raffrey/Raffery? Or do I look at post titles through this thread?


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@sherlockmh

Thank you for posting!

It would seem very likely that your Robert McIlveen (m. Jane Hewitt) and Isabella McIlveen were related. His estimated year of birth then is 1827. I would estimate Isabella's y.o.b. about 1818ish if she were married 1838. That is a 9 year gap, could be same family even if Robert (namesake) younger. Most certainly related.

And thank you for posting the information on Raffrey.

This is interesting and very helpful.

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1. Richard Miles (1755-1814)
I have worked my gggg (or so) grandfather to Richard Miles (1755-1814) m. Anne Saxby, Tonbridge and Leigh. These names are given in Quaker Records in US and verified in the IGI records of Leigh, Kent.

2. Samuel Miles (1723-1802)

For Richard I have determined that his father was Samuel Miles (1723-1802) This I have determined from a headstone transcription of Samuel Miles in the Old Churchyard St Mary Leigh where it gives the above dates and lists issue of Samuel and Elizabeth (Hunt) Miles, his wife; Richard's name is included. The list of children match up to the IGI church christening records. Book "Leigh in Kent" puts Samuel as owning a farm, and Richard leaves same farm in his will (Enfield and/or Haysden farms). Etc. Seems pretty good that I have this right. Uncle George Hunt mentioned in Richard's will. Samuel and Elizabeth marriage can be found on IGI.

3. John Miles ( ? - 1744)
I have found a will for John Miles who died 1744 in Leigh. In this will he leaves his farm in Leigh to son, Samuel. Dates match. So feel this John is right. There is one connection to Brenchley mentioned in his will, and that is his eldest daughter, Elizabeth, who had married John Hickmott, and they are living in Brenchley. No lands left at this point, from Brenchley.

I have a list of his children from the will, and wife name of Elizabeth. No IGI marriage records show the date etc of their marriage. The children are registered at the church in Brenchley, not Leigh, as John's with, again, Elizabeth is not named. Only in will. ( Edward, Elizabeth, Ann, Richard, Samuel, Mary ). and Samuel is born in 1723, the right year.

There are two sons ( John and William ) unaccounted for in church records. Email correspondence with another researcher says that (3) John had been married before Elizabeth, to Susanna Stephens (Stevens) in 1705 at Horsmonden, which is near Brenchley, and these two sons are hers, and recorded in Brenchley. I see that in IGI. I do not see her death/burial information though.

I would like to verify this information somehow, Susanna's death and that this is the same John. It would seem to be, if you add in all the children's names, then that would make the same as in his will.

Also to get a year of birth for (3) John ( ? - 1744).

4. John Milles ( ? - 1730)
I have found another will for a John Milles written in 1730, gentleman, Horsmonden, Kent.
My correspondent believes that the earlier John (3) John Miles is b. 1686 in Chevening to Jeffrey Myles. This is in IGI. She linked them because Jeffrey, of Chevening, was buried in Brenchley, but this I cannot verify.

I am leaning towards John Milles (Horsmonden) as the next generation back because I cannot verify what she found about Jeffrey, and because of the Brenchley and Horsmonden connection(s). John Milles did have a son John (ouch though - all these names repeat over and over and over which has made this all so tough). His son John must have been older, he did not leave him much property but he is executor, which makes me think that he had already settled with him, John, and another brother, Thomas. (I see some later records for a John and Thomas Milles in Horsmonden, but they seem to be the next generation however there is not enough to go on in these record snippets - or the will).

Property in Wood-Church which is not that far away, perhaps under 10 miles from Horsmonden and maybe 12 from Brenchley, was left to son, Richard Milles, who seems to be the youngest son and in need of supervision of two older brothers, and an annuity, etc. There are rules about the land, income and rent to be followed.

The will also says the testator (4) John Milles lives at Spelmonden, which seems to have been a farm or an estate, in Horsmonden, again that is perhaps two miles from Brenchley. The only other location mentioned is that John Milles wants to be buried next to his "unkle" John Milles in Biddenen, which is closer to Wood-Church. He has kinswomen in Bersted, which is much farther afield, south. Looks like Mary and Sarah Hoods (?) the last name is hard for me to make out.

Leigh
is not mentioned, but again, could that have been disposed of earlier?

There is another IGI record for this generation, of a John Milles born to a William Milles in Leigh, could it be the same John as (4) John? That would be a tie into Leigh, if more could be found, and this is the right track.


Does anyone know this family line?

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England / Re: National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)...
« on: Wednesday 19 January 11 23:03 GMT (UK)  »
Mike and everyone

Thanks for the link. I have the form in hand and will send it off and maybe in a few weeks I will have answers and some papers. I see for sure now that it is the Postal Service and not the First Avenue House anymore, they are too overwhelmed with requests.

It is so interesting that one can get as much information as one does, online.

Best
Jane

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