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Completed Census Requests / Re: 1881 Scotland Census
« on: Thursday 02 November 06 15:38 GMT (UK)  »
Hi MM

Entries in the Statutory Register of Births for any Scottish Birth after 1855 can be downloaded from scotlandspeople.gov.uk
It is a pay-to-view site but you can pay by creditcard on-line on a secure line. they hold all Scottish births, deaths and marriages from 1855 up to the present date but there are confidentiality rules so that births you can access are only up to 1905. Marriages are only up to 1930 and Deaths right up to 1955.
It costs £6.00 for 30 credits. To see the results of a search costs 1 credit; to download the certificate (provided it is the correct person) costs 5 credits. So you would be able to access possibly 5 different certificates for your  money.
From a birth certificate you would find out parents names (possibly only Charles' mothers name  :( )

Before you start to search I would recommend that you read all the guidance they give about how to set search parameters, how to use 'wild cards' and how to refine searches.
Don't expect perfect spelling (i.e. what you think it should be!) and always allow a bit of leeway in dates.
Once you have found his cert you will want to find out more about his mother,  then his ? father...  and so on. You will spend the credits in no time. You can save the certs to your own computer. Print them off, and still have them available on SP(scotlandspeople) should you wish to see them at a later date.
Don't rush into a search and get excited. that way costs a fortune. It certainly cost us plenty till we learned.

Happy hunting

Russell

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Completed Census Requests / Re: 1881 Scotland Census
« on: Wednesday 01 November 06 12:07 GMT (UK)  »
Hi MM

I found the site by chance since I was looking for a Watson who had married into the Hendry line in Enzie and it was only by slowly working through the various Hendry lines that I found the record of the marriage.

I have since realised (I'm slow in the uptake !) that you can do a 'find on this page' by going up to 'edit'on the toolbar,  on the site and locate a particular name on that page even though the prime line is not yours.
It might be worth a try although it would be a real test of patience.

Russell

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Midlothian / Re: Edinburgh address - a Close off High St
« on: Tuesday 31 October 06 00:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Lilibet

Try this link for all the closes off the Royal Mile from 15-1600's up to the present day.
http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_MAPS/0_maps_of_edinburgh_old_town.htm

Look at some of the rest of the site too. It is the best, most informative site on the Web.
If you have Edinburgh rellies it is a must for information

Russell

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Fife / Re: Newport / Forgan-Toll Keeper
« on: Monday 30 October 06 23:56 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jim

The nearest I  can find to Forgan is Forgandenny which is near Bridge of Earn and just South of Perth. A lot of trade passed through Perth for many years and if this is the correct place the roads leading into the town would have been toll roads. That is you had to pay to travel along them. Roads were usually built by the local landowner at his own expense and to recover his outlay and keep the road maintained he built toll houses at strategic places. He would install, usually a couple, in each house who would demand payment to pass. You can still see some of these houses around. They were often circular or multi-sided so they could see the road from all directions.

This may not be the correct location since it could well be the other end of the road at Newport on Tay but I feel it is this vicinity.

I used old-maps.co.uk which brought up an 1866 map of Forgandenny itself. It might be worth trying around the Newport on Tay end yourself.

Russell

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Completed Census Requests / Re: 1881 Scotland Census
« on: Monday 30 October 06 22:56 GMT (UK)  »
Hi MM & Gadget

There is an amazing site for Port gordon, Rathven and Enzie which is based on parentage lists kept by a local tradesman.
its
http://rgu-sim.rgu.ac.uk/history/family_history.htm
I haven't looked at it recently but there may be some information there.

I would agree that more definite evidence would be the clincher whether it was a will, a testament or a letter (some have actually survived)
All I was pointing to was the potential which existed within the Scottish legal system for legitimising a birth where the father accepted that he was the other parent.
In the absence of corroboration you can only make assumptions which, in a genealogical context , are potentially major red herrings if they are taken as established facts.
I was not advocating accepting the marriage as evidence of paternity.

Sorry if I was apparently guilty of misdirecting.

Russell

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Lanarkshire / Re: Recognise this place?
« on: Monday 30 October 06 09:59 GMT (UK)  »
That looks promising Falkryn.
Far enough out to still have the small town feel.

Russell

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Completed Census Requests / Re: 1881 Scotland Census
« on: Monday 30 October 06 09:56 GMT (UK)  »
Corrections cost money Gadget.( Anything involving lawyers does!)  and it is cannie Scots you're talking about.
If the folk in Enzie, Rathven, Buckie didn't mind the lack of an entry that would be fine.
Marriage was not dependent on a piece of paper, nor was birth. The agreement to live together was what mattered whether verbal, by habit and custom or written following appropriate religious ceremony.

Lots of marriages took place on New Years day since that was their only official holiday in the year. The farming community had more variation in wedding dates but lots of brides must have used their 'bumps' to put their celebratory cup of tea on.

'Promises, Promises' by Leah Leneman is quite fascinating to read. You learn quickly that if you could prove a contract, then a marriage existed.

Scots law gave a lot of respect to women too which is not the case in some other countries.

Russell

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Completed Census Requests / Re: 1881 Scotland Census
« on: Monday 30 October 06 01:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hi MM

It was fairly common in Scotland to give an illigitimate child the name of the putative father. In this case, since the father may well have been at sea he would be unable to be present at the registering of the child's birth so the Registrar would not be able to hear him acknowledge himself as the father - so illigitimate would have to be entered on the record.
When the father returned from his voyage they were married. If they had already agreed to marry once it was a done deal and the contract of marriage was completed this effectively, in law, made the child legitimate!  They could have approached the Court to have a Correction made to the birth record to show the legitimacy. This would have been written or stamped in the left margin of the register as
RCE vol ...page...authorised by the Sheriff substitute for the county of Buchan
No big deal. It was not an uncommon occurance in fishing communities and the Scots have a slightly different interpretation of the marriage contract anyway when compared to England.

Russell

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Lanarkshire / Re: Recognise this place?
« on: Monday 30 October 06 01:29 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Alan

I don't like to be a wet blanket but I don't think it is Great Western Road and possibly not even Glasgow.

The photo was taken in the 1920's from the styles and Great Western road was all built up by that time.

It reminds me more of a smaller, but fairly populous town which could afford an imposing church. There is a similar view of the end of a row of shops facing the church in several towns.
I would concentrate on the church. It has quite distinctive window features in the spire.

Russell

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