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Edward Duffy born 1883 married Marguerite Elsie Simpson in 1907 4Q Salford. Children Mary Ruth Duffy born 1909 & Edward Duffy born 1910. They lived at 38 Amos Street, Langworthy, Pendleton, Salford.

Thank you Ellenmai


As I mentioned I had either Rose Ann Dodd (1903) or Marguerite Simpson 1907 as possibilities. Can I ask how you feel Marguerite is the wife as opposed to Rose. Both married Edwards.
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Appreciate the help.

Most of my branches are developing well and have born interesting fruit.

However, my father's bloodline remains elusive to progress (well - for me at the moment). I have had a previous post to help my ggf John 1857 ' brickwall ' and the advice from those helping was to obtain his first marriage certificate, which I was able to do ( I copied it to my original post). That gave his father's name - Edward but armed with this, I have still been unable to 'leap forward'.

Another thought was to develop John's children with a view that that may be easier and release some new information from another angle. But his children's records also seem very elusive (to me).

I currently have these details for the family:

Edward (father of John from the Marriage Certificate of John and Mary Hawthorn 1882 Salford)

John (previous post will show there are 2 possibilities for birth ?) 1857. I know he was born Lloughlyn, County Roscommon, Ireland from Census info.

First Marriage 1882 Mary Hawthorn(e) - Confirmed with actual marriage cert ordered/rec'd

Children:

Edward 1883 - Marriage possibilities two - Rose Ann Dodd 1903 (8d 181), Marguerite Simpson 1907 (8d 219) ?

James   1885 - Marriage possibly to Mary Agnes Derbyshire but I believe she was born in Germany and I can find no further information as to whether Derbyshire is Maiden or previous marriage name or Wedding citation to James.
John     1887 - Little found
Charles 1889 - Little found
William Henry 1891 - Little found

& Joseph 1893 (my grandfather)

I have been able to confirm all the above on GRO with Hawthorn as MMN.

1891 Census shows them all (apart from Joseph) BUT transcribed as Hawthorn(e) as surname NOT Duffy.

I have trawled through the transcribed Ordsall (I believe they resided), Salford Parish Church records to confirm Baptisms but all notes on these just give John & Mary as parents. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Salford/


I am not coming from this from a specific person point of view. Could anyone find a bit more information or citation/record proof for any of these ancestors ? One piece may unlock my ability to shuffle forward with the others in family or indeed 'unlock' the Duffy Family Ireland to Salford era brickwall.

I utilise Family Search which does not yield anything for my searches on these individuals. I also use FreeBMD and GRO. I am not on Ancestry or similar due to cost.

Always amazed and grateful at what is found by the members

Thank you

Interested in views, which may be individual and diverse, but wondering if there is an 'etiquette'.

In earlier ancestry searches it appears that forenames (sometimes) and surnames (many times) are spelt slightly differently in records.

An example for my line is Mayberry - Maybery/Maybury/Maiberry/Maibery.


As I am recording a Family Tree I have found myself taking 'one spelling' and keeping it consistent in the tree. So my first location of the above surname was Mayberry so I have altered all linked spellings (to my tree) to read Mayberry. The attached citations show the spellings as given but I just like order


It doesn't affect 'world order' but is there an etiquette amongst historians of family trees that I breach?

Hello
Esther is baptised at Chapel Hill ,the first of three children.
This looks like her parents marriage at Newchurch st Peter
Edward Maiberry of Chapel hill 27.5.1782 to Mary Jones of Newchurch.
Bach and spinster by banns.
ps Freereg transcription has James not Jones for Mary the bride.

It does look like the transcripter muggled things up a bit.
Mary would still be pregnant though.

Ciderdrinker

Thanks Ciderdrinker

I believe this could well be the detail I seek. I searched Mayberry and also Maybury but not aware of Maiberry as a version, which I will now add to my searches moving earlier into history.

Can also see a theme being created as Edward & Marys daughter, Esther, married James Powell (Powell being my mothers paternal line). Esther Capel Hill - James was born Newchurch.

Marriage slightly earlier in the year ie May also 'helps' the fact Esther was born in the same year.

Great help. Many Thanks

Quote from: Real Lee History on Saturday 12 May 18 15:45 BST (UK)

Quote from: rosie99 on Saturday 12 May 18 15:38 BST (UK)

Maybe Mary in 1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBJ9-48J

ADDED Maureen you beat me to the 1881 as well 

Lets all sit down guys as info fitting together !! lol




On this census James Hawthorne (Marys Dad) is a .................dyer which was information I was working on Although there was a big Dye Factory in Offord Lane, Manchester around the time so probably the main employ.

Still good.

Can't see a birth reg for Mary but there is this baptism on the familysearch website which would fit with the above 1871 census:

Date: 2nd Aug 1857
Place: St Phillip Salford Lancaster
Name: Mary Hawthorn
Parents: James and Betsy Hawthorn
Abode: 9 Eliza Street Hulme
Father's occ: Dyer


https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amary~%20%2Bsurname%3Ahawthorn~%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22lancashire%20england%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1857-1857~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajames~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Aelizabeth~

Thank you Candrjm.

This is brilliant and really appreciate you looking and finding.

I believe it fits well. As I mentioned in previous post with Wedding Cert - both John and Mary state 24yrs in 1882 (so 1857 fits). Marys mother is Elizabeth so Betsy fits and we know James worked in the Ordsall Lane, Manchester Dye Factory.

I will add the info.

Do find it strange that Mary's birth not located as yet nor her death. John Duffy (husband) married again 1898 ((Elizabeth) Maiden Name: Holyoak - American citizen) but my Father remembers my grandfather stating he preferred one of his mums to the other (ie Nicer I presume). My grandfather Joseph 1883 was the sixth and final child in John/Mary's marriage. So on the basis of that recollection it appears to me that Joseph knew BOTH mums.

Will keep searching but with your help and others on this fine site - I am progressing.