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Wow that was quick, thankyou.
It is a possibility, Lancaster is the nearest register office to Caton.

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I had a heck of a brick wall with Robert's son, which I got through eventually.(he was born in Kirkby Lonsdale)
But now I have come up against another brick wall regarding his 2nd marriage to Ellen?
In 1861, Roberts first wife died in February a month or two after the birth of her last child Robert, when the family were living in Ellel. (Hampson).
The 1861 census shows Robert living on his own with his 2 boys. His son Stephen is recorded as a visitor with a family named Dixon in Sawrey. No mension of Anne.
Then in 1871 he is recorded as living in Caton with his last 2 sons (David and Robert) and a wife called Ellen, born in Caton. Stephen and Anne are not with them but Stephen is recorded as living as a border with a family called Routledge. No sign of Ann though?
In 1881 census, Robert Ellen and David and Robert are in Skerton.

My brick wall is, who was Ellen I cannot find her birth on Caton/Brookhouse parish registers.
Also, when and where did they marry?
 
Can anyone help please?

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Westmorland / Re: Help please. Brick wall. Atkinson of Kirkby Lonsdale 1852?
« on: Friday 28 August 15 11:44 BST (UK)  »
I've been looking at this and something I found makes me wonder if in fact William as Stephen's fathers name is a mistake.

Why do I think this? I noticed 2 birth registrations in March qtr. 1845 in Kendal both for Stephen Atkinson, I wondered if this was a mistake but looking at 1851 there are 2 Stephen Atkinsons in Kirkby Lonsdale. One is the son of John and Margaret the other the son of Robert and Frances. Robert is a stone mason.

Look what Stephen names his children.

This does want more research, what does Stephen's death certificate say about his age/date of birth?

Just had another look at FindMyPast records I had saved, note 1911 census, which reads;
Sthephen Atkinson Head
Married Male
Stone Mason
65
1846
Kirby Lonsdale

This is what I now think.
William as his father was a mistake and Robert and Frances were his parents afterall?

In the 1861 in Ellel Lancashire, I also think I have found Robert & Stephen, without Frances, she died in 1861 aged 39.

In 1871 they are in Caton Lancashire , he has remarried again (Ellen) cannot find marriage though? Robert & david Leeming are with them, Stephen is with a family called Routledge in Kirkby Lonsdale aged 26, occupation as a Waller. (Frances was called Routledge).

Can anyone help me confirm these facts please?
Rosie

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The Lighter Side / Re: Nursery Rhymes
« on: Wednesday 26 August 15 00:09 BST (UK)  »
These rhymes are very much part of our heritage.

Speaking to young mothers from other countries, they are surprised by the number of old songs and rhymes we have in the UK. They have a few but nothing like the amount we have.

My OH was born in the middle east and when my children were young my mother in law (Arab and Russian background - don't even think of researching their family history!) would sing them rhymes in Arabic which sounded very much like the English ones we have, in terms of rhythm and timbre. I seem to remember one she tried to translate as being about a bird which left its nest to end up in a dinner - a familiar theme?

That's really interesting that other countries have similar rhymes to ours.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Nursery Rhymes
« on: Wednesday 26 August 15 00:06 BST (UK)  »
I don't think these rhymes are disappearing - I still sing them to my grandchildren and they also sing them at playgroup and nursery, along with more modern ones like "The wheels on the bus go round and round".  "Twinkle, twinkle, little star" is a particular favourite because of the actions (rather more modern, I think) that go with it.

I now agree, I was talking to my boss yesterday, who has a 2 year old and she sings Horsey Horsey to her little one also, which surprised me. She said her mum used to sing it to her too.


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The Lighter Side / Re: Nersery Rhymes
« on: Saturday 22 August 15 10:10 BST (UK)  »
Thanks everyone, I know I have asked an impossible question, I was pondering really.
My grandmother would have been 132 also, so she would have learnt them from her mother/grandmother too.
I hadn't realised that Baa Baa black sheep was about wool tax? But it makes sense. I always thought that it was a sharing out of bags of wool, first come first served kind of thing for who gets the prized black wool?
As for their origins, and I do think some were creepy too.
I wonder if many were passed down as verbal warnings, re Cradle in tree tops and Poseys causing sneezing (or the it's about keeping the plague away, as I was once told)
Georgey Porgey could have been about warning girls about boys advances? (he kissed them and made them cry)
Polly Flinders (not to sit too near the fire?)
Now, what were they thinking about Sing a song of sixpence? To make sure the birds were dead before cooking in a pie?
3 blind mice , was that from the rime when killing/cutting off the tail would get you 3d or 6d from the rat catching department of the local council?
Jack Spratt, could that be waste not, want not?



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The Lighter Side / Nursery Rhymes
« on: Friday 21 August 15 23:40 BST (UK)  »
So I was bouncing my little granddaughter on my knee singing a nursery rhyme that I sang to my own children 30+ years ago. It occurred to me that it is way out of date, 'Horsey Horsey don't you stop', (so horse & cart era, possibly 100-150 years ago?) but I remembered my mother singing it to me and my brothers and sisters and also I remember it being sung by my grandmother when she looked after us when my mother went shopping. And she must have learned it from her mother , possibly her grandmother too?
I have a feeling that if I took my granddaughter to a playgroup and sang her that I'd get funny looks from the young mothers.  :o
So how old do you reckon the oldest nursery rhyme is? Do you think our modern day nursery rhymes would stand the test of time, like the old ones have?
(what do they sing to them nowadays, CBB's don't do much nursery rhyme singing?)

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The Lighter Side / Re: Why are people from __ called ___?
« on: Friday 21 August 15 11:07 BST (UK)  »
My Dad was born in Morecambe and he always referred to himself or anyone born in Morecambe as Sand Grown 'un's.
Locals used to say it was the Capital of Yorkshire, as there were more Yorkshire people living there than in Yorkshire.

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The Common Room / Re: Ancestry, Library version help.
« on: Saturday 15 August 15 09:47 BST (UK)  »
First of all, thankyou all for taking the time to reply, i do appreciate it.

I should have stated I am in the UK, the library version is 'online community Ancestry' or words similar.
About it paying it's subscription, yes, It is very likely the library might not have updated it's subs, because the county council is strapped for cash and plans to make over 1,500 jobs disappear over the next couple of years, Library's are likely to be affected.
By certificates i mean the images/census data that i can verify my own research with, and also find out more with in info on Ancestry. Like when you click the links and then it won't let you see and sends you to the subs page. ( i have brick walls that must be a yard thick!)
I also couldn't see whether i was on the UK or US version. The whole process was very frustrating.

I just got a message from my brother saying that our library still has XP and is full of virus' and never to input my own email, no matter how it prompts me to do so.
I shall go back next time i have an afternoon spare and ask to be shown how to get onto the UK version and how to view census data, photo's etc.

Cheers Rosie

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