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Monaghan / Re: Drum, Co. Monaghan - Kells family & Flack family
« on: Thursday 10 October 13 22:45 BST (UK)  »
Michelle,

Do you mean that you'd like to know more about the KELLS family that I'm researching? Was your great-aunt Phoebe FLACK born a KELLS, married to a KELLS, or was she the daughter/granddaughter of a KELLS? Or did you mean that you're only looking for information on the FLACK family in County Monaghan? I'm glad to help if I have anything about your families.

Annie

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Monaghan / Re: When did Protestant settlers first arrive in Monaghan?
« on: Monday 19 August 13 15:00 BST (UK)  »
Protestant names began to appear in Monaghan over a period of about 50 years, from 1606 to the 1650s. As a result of the Tudor, Stewart and Cromwellian conquests of Ireland, as we know, most of the land in Ireland was taken from the native Irish and given to Protestant planters. Monaghan, however, did not have the heavily organized plantation settlement that Northern Ulster experienced. Consequently, Protestant names are fewer. The pattern of land ownership in the 1606 division of County Monaghan, for instance, divided about 60 per cent of the county between a dozen main Gaelic families (former territorial chiefs/leaders) and several hundred of their followers. The rest of the county was divided among just a few British/English planters. Some of the new landlords were men who purchased estates from the Irish chiefs and then brought in more British settlers -- such as John Burnett of Ballyleck in 1609, who bought land from County Monaghan's famous MacMahons and settled it with his choice of Ulster and British tenants. MadPat theorized correctly that: <<great chunks of land were granted to some and then poorer settlers came over to work for them.>>

The Cromwellian settlements of the early-to-mid-1600s included men who were discharged soldiers (taking land as their pay), as well as planters and followers of the new landholding gentry. So, all sorts of surnames came into County Monaghan with these ex-soldiers and civilians, not just lords' and ladies' names. Still, the 1659 census shows only 434 "English" heads of household living in the county, while 3,649 Irish families were residents of Monaghan. If your ancestors were Protestant, they aren't hard to find in that small a percentage.

There are a number of excellent books and articles describing the changes in land ownership in County Monaghan over the centuries and the arrival of specific Protestant groups, with dates, locations, estate records, surname lists, hearth money rolls, etc. Not only were there new English soldiers, planters and tenants whose names began to appear in County Monaghan records, but the Castleblayney area saw an influx of French Huguenots (one of my ancestral lines in Co. Monaghan was a French Huguenot family -- the Calvins/Colvins). Scots settlers came in at different times, as well. So you'll see several types of Protestant surnames coming into Monaghan records of the Tudor to Cromwellian time period, not just English/British. Keep that in mind as you do your research.

Recommended reading:

The History of the County of Monaghan, by Evelyn Philip Shirley (1879)
History of the County of Monaghan for 200 years: 1660 -1860, by Denis Carolan Rushe (1921)
The Monaghan Story, by Peadar Livingstone (1980)
"The Evolution of Estate Properties in South Ulster, 1600-1900," by Patrick J. Duffy in Common Ground: Essays on the Historical Geography of Ireland (1988)
Landscapes of South Ulster, by Patrick J. Duffy
County Monaghan Sources in the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (1998)

Also, see the Clogher Record articles index by the Clogher Historical Society, which is on-line. Excellent society and publications. And, they offer overseas as well as UK memberships.

Annie

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What great finds from you two! Thank you, JJen and Mabel! I had indeed wondered about Clara Papworth marrying a MORRIS in 1909, and then having a daughter named "Mona Papworth" in 1917. I considered (conservatively) that Arthur T. M. Morris had probably DIED and Clara either reverted to her maiden name or remarried to a Papworth husband ... but in the back of my mind, I wondered if there was more to it. I wish UK censuses beyond 1911 were available to us. Good research! Thank you thank you thank you!

Annie

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Thank you so much --and yes I'm sure that must be our Mona. It's too unusual a name. Now I'm looking for TWO obituaries and burial places. Poor Mona and her mother Clara. I really appreciate your finding and posting the 1931 death record.

Annie

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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Clara May PAPWORTH died 1970 Fakenham, Norfolk
« on: Friday 16 August 13 20:52 BST (UK)  »
My cousin Clara May Papworth (born 26 April 1881) died in December 1970 at age 89. Death Registration District: Fakenham, County: Norfolk. I'd love to find a copy of Clara's newspaper obituary or death notice, and learn where she's buried and what family survived her. Does she have a tombstone, or does she lie in an unmarked grave somewhere in Norfolk? She had at least one daughter, Mona Papworth, born 1917, but I don't know if Mona was still living when Clara died, or what her surname was if she had married.

Clara May Papworth was the daughter of Henry "Harry" PAPWORTH and Martha CALVIN of Lambeth, London. She married (1) Arthur Thomas Mortlock MORRIS in 1909 in Lambeth, and (2) a Papworth (perhaps a cousin?).

I live in Alabama and have been tracing my family in Ireland, Scotland and England. I'm always glad to help others and share research notes.

Annie

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I've seen your posts about William Hadden born (1871) in Co. Tyrone, possibly the son of a James and Mary Ann Hadden. We might have corresponded about these Haddens before, but if you already have this information, my post here may help someone else.

James Alexander HADDEN who married Mary Anne MOORE in 1870 was the son of John HADDEN of Farriter. John died 29 October 1870 at Farriter, aged 60 years. His son John Hadden Jr. was the informant on the death, and his tombstone is in Upper Clonaneese Presbyterian Church cemetery, Killeeshil parish, Co. Tyrone.

There's a James HADDEN at Farriter in the Tithe Applotments, 1829, who is very likely John's father (and so James Alexander Hadden's grandfather), but that's not proven, just a probability.

I have more on this family if anyone is descended from the Haddens of Farriter, and am always glad to share research notes.

Regards,
Annie

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Monaghan / Re: 1766 Religious Census Clones
« on: Monday 26 November 12 16:13 GMT (UK)  »
There are no family names or heads of household names in the 1766 Religious Census (Parliamentary Returns) list that has survived for Clones parish, County Monaghan. There is only one official's name: Richard H. Roper.

In 1766, Church of Ireland rectors were ordered by the government to compile lists of householders in their parishes, indicating their religion (Protestant/Catholic). The rectors made lists withoutconsistency, unfortunately. Some lists are very detailed, with full names of parish heads-of-household residents and the religion noted beside each name. Other lists are only numbers, counted by religious denomination.

The original 1766 lists were lost in the destruction of the Public Record Office of Ireland in 1922; the only remnants that survived were transcripts made by Tenison Groves, an antiquarian working in the Public Record Office of Ireland. Thanks to Tenison Groves, we do have SOME 1766 names.

I ordered and looked at the Clones "Parliamentary Returns" of 1766 on a research visit to the National Archives in Dublin in 2010. The papers that include Clones are titled "Returns to the Lords 1766 -- " and "Returns - Bundle 77 - R...xxx? port? - from 703 to 739 inclusive - Religion."

Clones parish is #710 in the Parliamentary Returns list, in the returns numbered 703 to 739, as described above.

The actual record consists of a small notebook handwritten by Tenison Groves. Under the Clones entry, there's only the notation: "signed by Rich. H. Roper (xxx resident?)". There is NO OTHER DATA and NO NAMES. Other 1766 Parliamentary Returns lists in this notebook had only a single name noted, such as #711 Clontibret parish, "Andrew Kerr, curate," and #734, Muckno parish, "John Walsh, curate at Castleblayney."

The Rev. Richard Roper became Rector of Clones in 1754 and remained at this post for 60 years. You'll find much information on his family in Burke's Peerage and other nobility/landed gentry books, many of which are accessible on-line.

What Clones-area families are you researching? My CALVINS/COLVINS and allied families were in that area for generations.  I'm always glad to share research notes.

Regards,

Annie Hadden Crenshaw

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Monaghan / Re: Alford, Aghabog Church of Ireland survey 1824
« on: Thursday 26 July 12 06:24 BST (UK)  »
Not looking at my notebooks, but recalling sources, I think the 1824 survey was at the RCB library in Dublin (Representative Church Body Library, with archival holdings of the Church of Ireland). There may have been a copy at the National Archives which is also in Dublin. I've spent a lot of time at both places, and my notes aren't all typed into the computer. Aghabog Parish Church of Ireland records ARE at the RCB library, as are a number of other Co. Monaghan church records.

If you're researching Protestant Aghabog-resident ancestors, keep in mind that although the earliest registers of the Aghabog Church of Ireland haven't survived, they do have marriages 1845+ and baptisms/burials 1877/78+. Vestry minutes exist from 1814+ -- all of which might include your ancestors' names.

Killeevan parish Church of Ireland records start in 1811, and Newbliss Church of Ireland records in 1841.


Annie

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Monaghan / Re: Alford, Aghabog Church of Ireland survey 1824
« on: Wednesday 25 July 12 19:16 BST (UK)  »
If a person researched and viewed the original 1824 survey manuscript at the National Archives in Dublin, the data copied in the researcher's own hand isn't copyrighted to the Clogher Historical Society (which is a wonderful organization) or other publishing company or society/entity. Perhaps someone can help from personal research notes, if the CHS staff don't respond. I did view this original manuscript a few years ago, but I didn't take down all the names -- too many and not enough time! -- only the names of my ancestors and relatives.

Regards,
Annie

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