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Thank you for your help Ciderdrinker. The document/s of admin and bond were as a result of the loss of William Summers the father. This was during a "great storm" that raged along the south coast of England 22nd to 25th November 1824. He likely died without a will. His wife predeceased him in 1822 and the Mary mentioned would be his mother, the children's Grandmother. I have an image of those two court documents which establishes the existence of William the son. Finding out about William the son might neatly provide pieces to to the puzzle.
I feel that Newfoundland is involved, not only that Poole was a port that traded with Canada but that William senior and his son were seamen. I also believe that a gravestone planted near Carbonear in Nf was commissioned by William the son or a Robert Ash (Master Mariner) a relation through marriage. Sadly all records for that church were lost in a rectory fire.
The text on the gravestone states it is in memoriam of William Summers, Master of the brig Syren, lost at sea. Born about the right year and died 24th November 1824. Local knowledge has it that this William died elsewhere.

Del

Probably connected because Robert Ash master mariner was one of the people named on admin bond.
and Robert Ash Summers probably named after him.

Mary Summers sp full age married Robert Ash wid full age on 08 Jan 1814 at Poole, St James botp, by lic.
Witnesses: Geo. Hancock, Sarah Summers, Maria Summers, E. Summers, S. Simper.

As an aside. William Summers Snr and Robert Ash must have been close friends and shipmates. He and his wife had twins 26th July 1820. A boy Robert Ash and a daughter Mary Lambert Ash. Lambert was the maiden name of the curatrix/ guardian of the orphaned Summers children.

There's a marriage for a Martha Summers age 22 in Poole on 21 Nov 1837 by lic to John Hooper. No father's name given, but maybe they thought they didn't need to include it he was already dead. One witness is Mary Summers. Could be her age would be right

Hi Lizzie. This Martha would be the 10 years old who took out the admin bond/ guardianship docs and is my 2x G'Grandmother. The Mary would be her sister Mary Brouster Summers.

Back to the elusive William Summers. The admin bond is proof positive that he did exist (it was family hearsay previously) and gives a window of birth date. His parents were married in Quebec City 31st dec 1803 and assuming mother was not pregnant at marriage, William's birth date can be narrowed down to, from October 1804 to September 1805. That would also satisfy the over 20 and under 21 stated in the bond of 22nd June 1825.

I have tried all I know to get some traction on this data but found nothing. Could I ask you to look into your crystal ball once more?

Imber. I stand corrected. My uncle went missing in a Blenheim out in the North Sea, hence his mention at Runnymede. Well spotted.

Del
 

Hello John. I was researching a family member who was RAFVR. I found all the information I wanted in the BBC archives, believe it or not. Try http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/ which might help you. On this site you can search by squadron or base. Sometimes original loss findings are available. I thought that RAFVR were all volunteers from Commonwealth countries but that might by just my take.

Hope that helps you.

Del

Thanks for that cosmac. Sooo if Joseph was killed 1780 and in 1788 Martha was 6 years old, her dob would be 1781/2. Then it is just possible Joseph fathered her? Could you give me the link to that document please?
The other conundrum is that Martha is supposed to have had a son about 1804'ish. He was called William. I cannot find any records of him at all. Her three other children were recorded and born in Poole Dorset England, between 1815 and 1820. I am beginning to suspect that William the son was left in Canada with relatives when the family returned to UK. Martha's husband, also William was working for the Admiralty

Derek