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London and Middlesex / Giving up with the Joneses: London
« on: Tuesday 27 August 13 17:36 BST (UK)  »
Is it worth persevering with my Jones family in London? It's fine from about 1820 onwards but getting back beyond that is proving to be impossible. The one I'm really interested in is Charles Jones. This is what I have on him so far.

i) Charles JONES married Jane (?)

Two children:
ii) Charles William JONES bapt. 1817, St George in the East, father's occupation 'mariner'
iii) James JONES bapt. 1822, St George in the East, father's occupation 'mariner'

iii) James JONES married Eliza DETENON in 1850. Father: Charles JONES, deceased, 'Captain'.


So Charles JONES married Jane (?) before 1817. They had at least two children, both baptised at St George in the East. He was a "mariner" and a "captain" and died before 30 December 1850.

Not much, is it?  :-\

I've checked the 1841 census and haven't found anything convincing.

I've found a couple of potential marriages of a Charles JONES to a woman called Jane, but it's too flimsy to be certain:

Charles JONES m. Jane BURCHFIELD, 1813, St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
Charles JONES m. Jane TAYLOR, 1814, St George in the East

My instinct is that it's the one in St George's in the East, as that's where they were living when the two children were born in 1817 and 1822, but it's hardly conclusive.

London ancestors are tricky enough I've found without having to deal with such a common surname. Has anyone got any ideas for trying to find out more? Any input is appreciated.

Rich

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The Common Room / Re: Using a French Maiden Name in an English Parish Register
« on: Monday 26 August 13 13:43 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Billyblue on Monday 26 August 13 00:28 BST (UK)
Have you thought of asking the research people at the Huguenot Society of GB?

http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/

Dawn M

I think I'll try sending them an email, Dawn. I have another query regarding membership of the French Church in Amsterdam that I can include. If I get a response I'll post it up on here in case others find themselves with a similar query.

Thanks for the advice!

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The Common Room / Re: Born out in India (Barrackpore, Allahabad)
« on: Sunday 25 August 13 21:39 BST (UK)  »
I too have drawn in a blank when it comes to tracing people in India. In my case it was my gtx3 grandmother, Amelia Margaret Padam, an Indian girl who married my gtx3 grandfather, William Lacey, who was in the British Army. I know they married at a Church Mission Station in or near Benares on 05 January 1864. They had three children in India, including my gtx2 grandfather Christopher Lacey, but I've not found anything relating to a marriage certificate or a birth certificate for any of them, not even William Lacey's service papers. I've been to the British Library and the National Archives and got nowhere. It's really frustrating so you have my sympathy.

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The Common Room / Re: Using a French Maiden Name in an English Parish Register
« on: Sunday 25 August 13 14:14 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: mrsruz on Sunday 25 August 13 07:31 BST (UK)
I think Iīm right in saying that in France, as in Spain, women donīt take their husbandīs surname when they marry.
They keep their maiden names all their lives.

That's really interesting. I lived in France for four years and never new that! This is from Wiki:

Upon getting married, a woman keeps her maiden name (nom de jeune fille). She may, under her maiden name, for example, open a bank account, sign checks, obtain a passport, etc. However, marriage grants a married person the right to assume his or her spouse's last name.

Apparently most women do use their husband's name but they've got the option not to. This is all via post-Revolution legislation though, so about a century after the marriage at St James Duke's Place. But I've got a Dutch/French ancestor who died in Amsterdam in 1747 and the burial register records her with her maiden name, only stating afterwards "widow of" followed by her husband's name.

The more I think about it the more convinced I am that 'Jane Bodou' was indeed her maiden name. It's an unusual name as 'Jane/Janne/Jeanne Bodou' only appears three times in the IGI extracted records: one of which was when she married my Huguenot ancestor in 1691. The other two are as maiden names in relation to baptisms at the French Protestant Church in Threadneedle Street. I'm pretty sure one of these was my Jane Bodou. I can easily see her turning up at an English parish church and just sticking to a French tradition without even thinking of it. I just need to try and prove it...

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The Common Room / Re: Do you ever doubt yourself?
« on: Saturday 24 August 13 22:22 BST (UK)  »
Yes, all the time. The only way to try and be sure is to check with original records and then check again. One of my gt-grandmother's had the wrong father on her marriage certificate and I assumed it was accurate, trying to ignore the fact I couldn't find a birth certificate for her. Eventually I solved it (actually someone on here did) and I found her real father and her birth certificate. I'd done a lot of research into her adoptive father's family too which, although not wasted, did take up a lot of time.

I think it's best to keep an open mind and be prepared for some trial and error. It should be fun after all! :)

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The Common Room / Using a French Maiden Name in an English Parish Register
« on: Saturday 24 August 13 19:34 BST (UK)  »
I'm not sure this is the right place for the query so please move it if it's incorrect.

I've got a marriage that took place in 1691 at St James Duke's Place in London. A number of the marriages involve French immigrants, including this one. It's the husband's second marriage but unfortunately it doesn't say if the bride is a widow or a spinster.

The bride's name as given in the register was Jane Bodou (I believe it could be 'Jenne Boudou'). If the bride had been married before, would she have used her maiden name or the married name from her previous husband? I know if they had been English it would've been her married name but the way French records are kept is rather different and a lot more emphasis is placed on the maiden name.

I've found two people called Jane Bodou/Bodou in the register of the French Church on Threadneedle Street, of which the bridegroom was a member. One was married to Jean Taisne and the other was married to a Jean Grier. Assuming either of these is the same as my Jane Bodou, would she have used her maiden name when she remarried even if it was the custom in England to use her former married name?

Anyone got any ideas?

Rich  :)

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The Common Room / Re: What was your biggest surprise?
« on: Saturday 24 August 13 19:23 BST (UK)  »
Finding out a gtx3-grandmother on my father's side was Indian. She married my gtx3 grandfather at the age of 15 (he was about 27 at the time and a solider in India). The Indian genes stayed visible in the family for a couple of generations. It was a fascinating discovery as I had absolutely no idea.

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Is 'Anthony le Grand' in London? *Completed with thanks*
« on: Saturday 24 August 13 01:39 BST (UK)  »
Thanks so much for that! I must be getting stupid in my old age. I read the entry and didn't even think that it might've been a witness. Although common in French and Dutch marriages it's not something I've seen in that many 17th century Church of England registers. Yes, they nearly all have witnesses now I actually bother to look closely. I just assumed it was the parish/area where the bride came from!

Many thanks again

Rich

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Europe / Will Index for The Netherlands?
« on: Friday 23 August 13 23:59 BST (UK)  »
Does anyone know if there's an online surname index for pre-1800 Amsterdam wills?

Rich

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