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England / daft question - is there an index of English births?
« on: Sunday 12 August 07 00:58 BST (UK)  »
I know from past experience that the IGI has omissions, so if you have no idea where in England a birth may have been registered, is there any sort of country-wide index available? I am talking about a birth around 1800, 1806 at the latest. Living in Scotland, I can search all the OPRs at the GROS. Anything similar for England?

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Canada / Re: emigration 1872 - what's the best way forward?
« on: Saturday 11 August 07 12:42 BST (UK)  »
Good point, but would a week have been long enough to get the information from Ayr? (wedding on 18th, announcement published on 25th)

Thanks for the clearer image JJ but I still can't make it out at all. I thought the occupation would be handy to try to reconcile with an Alexander Robertson from the 1871 Scottish census. There are an awful lot of them... The info about the witnesses says they both came from Perth, but I can't find an Alexander that fits in Perthshire in 1871. However, if my surmise is correct and he is related to Jane, he came from the W coast and could have moved to Perthshire between the 1871 census and the 1872 sailing. I've just got too litlle inforamtion at the moment I'm afraid. Oh for a more unusual name.

Thanks again to all for your interest and help

Jo

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Canada / Re: emigration 1872 - what's the best way forward?
« on: Friday 10 August 07 23:42 BST (UK)  »
It's page 1, passenger 27 of the Manitoban arriving Quebec 23rd Aug 1872

Thanks

Jo

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Canada / Re: emigration 1872 - what's the best way forward?
« on: Friday 10 August 07 22:09 BST (UK)  »
Right, I have spent an evening to the ruination of my eyes, staring at passenger lists from June to Oct 1872 - and that was with leaving out Liverpool - just Glasgow and London. Needless to say I have not found her, but...

Ship:    MANITOBAN
Port and Date of Arrival:    Quebec, Que. - 1872-08-23

Has an Alexr Robertson, age 26, going from Glasgow to Quebec. Could be the brother/witness to the wedding? (age doesn't work with your 1881 census though JJ). I have searched in vain for Jane on that boat.

Can anyone feeling up to it have a look and see what they think his occupation is, as written on the passenger list? The one in Perth in 1881 is a store keeper. By the way the other witness to the wedding is a Maggie Lillie - could she be the same as the Margory who is in the 1881 with Alexr??

Only other faint possibility is a family:

Ship:     AUSTRIAN
Shipping Line:    Allan Line Steamship Co.
Departure Port and Date (yyyy/mm/dd):    London, England - [1872-07-02]
Queenstown, Ireland - [1872-07]
Port and Date of Arrival:    Halifax, N.S. -
Quebec, Que. - [1872-07-15]

Though v annoyingly this is the only ship with no ages of passengers at all. On page 2 there is a Mr J Robertson, Mrs R and 2 Miss Robertson. I know Jane was the second daughter, so there were 2 sisters. I suppose the whole family could have gone out for the wedding? But why travel from London instead of Glasgow, and why go to Halifax instead of Quebec? One teeny hint, the wedding notice from the Perth Courier: "18 Oct 1872 at Perth by the Rev T Brock, marriage of Matthew Currie  late of Swickenham (Twickenham) Middlesex to Jane Robertson, second daughter of Jas Robertson, Mill Street, Ayr, Scotland (PC 25 Oct 1872)." Does all that latter detail smack of proud papa being there? If so they hung about for a while given that they arrived 15th July and the wedding wasn't till October... And she was 32 so no spring chicken needing her parents. It just doesn't seem too likely to me.

Any comments?

Jo

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Canada / Re: emigration 1872 - what's the best way forward?
« on: Friday 10 August 07 19:45 BST (UK)  »
AND now I have a birth date of 7th May 1839 from the 1901. That birth I found in the IGI might well be the christening date (12th May 1839) so am still pretty hopeful on that one. Will check up next time I am in Edinburgh.

Getting better!

Jo

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Canada / Re: emigration 1872 - what's the best way forward?
« on: Friday 10 August 07 19:36 BST (UK)  »
Hold on a minute!

Just read Janice's emails properly. That 1901 IS new information. Definitely them in spite of Curry spelling. Blush, oldest mistake ever - failing to check similar spelling (I'm sure I did, sigh).

Thank you so much Janice, I had given up looking as I was so sure they weren't there. And the M is correct, her husband didn't die till 1903, but the marriage had split up by then I reckon.

Great stuff, v happy!

Jo

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Canada / Re: emigration 1872 - what's the best way forward?
« on: Friday 10 August 07 09:18 BST (UK)  »
Hi all

Yes, JJ you are right, I do have all this information, but thanks very much for your time Janice.

I will begin the trawl of 1872 passenger ships and let you know if I get any results. The first one I looked at is badly scanned and has a great bg black shadow over about 15 names, so I hope she isn't on that list!

Jo

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Canada / Re: emigration 1872 - what's the best way forward?
« on: Tuesday 07 August 07 17:29 BST (UK)  »
Yes awful. Son Matthew 1896 aged 23, daughter Jean age 22, 1900 and finally Rose, 22, 1901. All from TB. We have letters from their mother, really heart-breaking. It appears to have broken up the marriage too (or been a contributing factor you would think) as Matthew Snr went to live with his son in Smiths Falls before Rose died and is not mentioned in the obituary for Rose in the Perth Courier. He, poor man, had lost a baby daughter and his first wife back in England before emigrating with his son by his first marriage. Some people have a lot to bear.

Thanks for the ideas re Robertsons. It does so help to get some new perspectives.

Jo

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Canada / Re: emigration 1872 - what's the best way forward?
« on: Tuesday 07 August 07 10:47 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the warning - however, I can't find her or her daughter Rose on the 1901 at all. I know she (Rose) was at the TB Sanatorium at Gravenhurst for a while before her death in September 1901 at the age of 22 (the third and last of their children to die this way - tragic) so I wonder if Jane accompanied her and for some reason they didn't make it onto the census...

I shall bear in mind that the 1839 birth year may not be accurate

Thanks

Jo

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