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Mayo / Herward or Hereward of the Hollymount/Roundfort area
« on: Tuesday 13 September 11 18:40 BST (UK)  »
I'm trying to research my GG Grandfather Patrick Herward or Hereward.

I can't find his marriage or death on family search - Irish Civil Registration Index.


He married Mary Conroy, I don't know when they married but she was born in 1836 in Frenchbrook, Lough Mask, Ballinrobe.

She died 9 May 1916, she is buried beside her husband at the old Kilcommon Cemetery, Roundfort, County Mayo.

Patrick died 13 Mar 1875 and was aged around 40 when he died in tragic circumstances.



Patrick had a brother, John. I'm thinking this may be John: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/MFCT-Z9W/p1



Patrick and Mary had four children:

 
James HEREWARD
Birth 12 Dec 1865 in HOLLYMOUNT,MAYO,IRELAND
Death 23 January 1927

Patrick HEREWARD
Birth 1867 in Roose, County Mayo
Death 31 Mar 1954

Bridget HEREWARD
Birth 03 Jun 1870 in HOLLYMOUNT, MAYO, IRE
Death 1942 to 1943, [not sure about this!] Buried in the old Ballinrobe Cemetery

Mary HEREWARD
Birth 26 Jul 1872
Death 1941

I know the spouses and other info of the above children but I don't think it's needed in this thread.



The following information has been provided by a member of the Hereward family who has long-since died. He wrote a general biography of the entire extended family. Many of the dates are out by a few years as he must have been writing from memory but in general, the information seems to be correct.


Patrick's death: There was some sort of fight taking place between neighbours of Patrick's at the crossroads of Scaurdaune, Claremorris, in 1875. Patrick attempted to break up the fight and was struck in the head with a stone by one of his neighbours which resulted in his death. Apparently, he did not die immediately but his date of death is 13 Mar 1875.


I have searched through several newspapers covering that time period and did not see any mentions of the fight, or Patrick's death.

I cannot find his death on the civil register. But his gravestone reflects this as his date of death also.


In this family biography, it is believed Patrick and John Hereward had come from Scotland. He believed Patrick had come to Ballinrobe as it was a garrison town.

[I would think Hereward is more of an English name.]

Patrick resided in Davros, in a place called Capaquila. He seems to have had a different relationship with the landlords compared to the average Irish resident at that time. He was living on land owned by Landlord Lindsay Fitzpatrick of Hollymount but then had to leave that property as Fitzpatrick wanted to make a bigger farm of the land in Davros. I do not know what year this happened.

He was instead given a piece of land by Charles Ben Jennings of Mount Jennings, the Landlord over the land of Roose. He had to build his own house. John, Patrick's brother, was working for Charles Ben Jennings and he had a two-storey house in the yard of the Jennings' estate.

John was described as a good worker by Charles Ben Jennings, and managed the stock and farm well. Because of this, Jennings provided him with the two-storey house. John was buried by Charles Ben Jennings when he died.

I guess John had no wife or family of his own?



The subsequent Hereward family are all Roman Catholic, but Hereward certainly isn't an Irish Catholic name, so I would expect a change from the Protestant denomination somewhere along the way, perhaps this happened when Patrick arrived in Ireland.


The surname of Herward or Hereward is extremely rare, so I thought it would be easy to research but I couldn't have been more wrong. 

There are other Herwards showing up in Oughterard and Clonbur, Galway; I don't believe they are any relation.


I really just want to find a marriage record or death record for Patrick in the hopes that it may state his father's name, or where he came from, or something like that.

If anyone could offer any information or advice, I'd much appreciate it.

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Galway / Re: Kate Martyn / Martin, born circa 1839, from County Galway, but where?
« on: Monday 12 September 11 14:48 BST (UK)  »
I now have a little more info on Kate than I had when I posted this thread.

She had a sister named Bridget Martin.

Bridget married a George Rushe in Claremorris, on 13 Jan 1858, pt-Patt Conry, Mary Cantin.

I can only find one child for George and Bridget so far, which was Sara Rushe.

George is a widower in the 1901 census. He lives in his sister-in-law Kate's property in Claremorris. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Claremorris/The_Square/1590807/


He is living there alone in 1911. 
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Claremorris/Claremorris/706704/


Sara may have died in 1905: https://www.familysearch.org/search/recordDetails/show?uri=https://api.familysearch.org/records/pal:/MM9.1.r/MFX6-8YW/p1

I have to order that cert to see if that is definitely her.



I have also found a Catherine Martin who was baptised in Claremorris on 8 January 1841.

Catherine of Thomas Martin and Catherine Lyon- sp -George Blackhole, Mary Lyon


So perhaps this is my Kate Martin, I can't find a baptism for her sister Bridget Martin at Claremorris but I'm still researching and hoping to find something more soon.

Perhaps the Galway references refer to Kate and Bridget's parents who may have moved from Galway to Claremorris?...



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Roscommon / Re: Michael McGarry from Co. Roscommon, born 1877
« on: Thursday 01 September 11 20:49 BST (UK)  »
VH, thank you very much for the info. I am happy to go with that Michael. 

Just to update, I ordered the cert for the only Michael McGarry that died in Claremorris during the right time period, and it's not my Michael.

This is the cert I ordered: https://www.familysearch.org/search/recordDetails/show?uri=https://api.familysearch.org/records/pal:/MM9.1.r/MFXP-HMW/p1

I'm a bit lost as to what my next step should be. I am now wondering if Michael died somewhere other than Claremorris.


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Two paragraphs on death cert I can't make out
« on: Thursday 01 September 11 08:27 BST (UK)  »
Excellent, thanks to you all for so quickly clearing that up for me. Some day my eyes will start allowing me to read old handwriting!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Two paragraphs on death cert I can't make out
« on: Wednesday 31 August 11 19:04 BST (UK)  »
Date and place of death: It's 1952, and the last word is 'Claremorris' [a place in Ireland]. I think I see a 'sixth' in there also, but can anyone tell me what the rest says?

And I can't make anything out of the cause of death.

I really am hopeless when it comes to reading handwriting, as always any help much appreciated!

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Well that means I need to find a Mary Prendergast who marries a Mr Ferror, and they have a little girl called Marcaline. Fingers crossed I find them!

Thanks to you all.

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I can't thank you enough for that info! I've really spent hours looking and not come across this, it becomes frustrating after a while. I didn't know when they immigrated previously either, so that's great to have that info now. Thank you so much!

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Oh wow, why is it that I have looked and looked and not been able to find that?! I was resigning to the fact that they must have only had two children, as I was able to find John and Theresa's marriage details on family search.

Thanks so much! I can now add these people to my tree.

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Hmmm.. interesting.

They probably didn't use the 24 hour clock in casual speak back then, did they? And they probably wouldn't put 'pm' with the 24 hour clock.

My eyes are seeing every possibility written in it now!  ;D

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