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England / Re: Merchant Navy in Britain pre 1863
« on: Saturday 20 December 14 15:41 GMT (UK)  »
Reply to #4
Who knows what just happened to my reply. It got deleted. Arrgghhh!

Ok.
Essentially, here's what I said -
The Smith family (Richard - b. 1834; Anne Eliz. - b. ??; Richard - b. 1863; Anne - b. 1867; infant - under a year?) left England in 1870 (I am unable to paste Ancestry info into this doc., but you may find the record in June 1870). Richard Sr. was a shoemaker, a trade he learned in the "Navy" (having no luck with this record either). They were sponsored by the East London Emigration Fund.

Sometime on board or shortly after arriving, Anne and the infant died (probably from typhoid fever since Richard Jr. survived a few bouts of it).

Richard Jr.'s mother is listed as "unknown" on his death certificate; however, on his sister's death certificate, she is listed as Anne Emons (someone said it looked like "Evans").

I have not found a record of a marriage between an Anne Emons and a Richard Smith (btw: they would have been married or they would not have been sponsored).

Where are Anne and the infant buried? I haven't found any record. Maybe they are in an unmarked grave somewhere.

Anyway, that's all I know. Thanks again for any leads you can provide.

Marianne

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England / Re: Merchant Navy in Britain pre 1863
« on: Saturday 20 December 14 15:27 GMT (UK)  »
Reply to # 4
Here's my problem. Btw: I have been at this (i.e., trying to find info on Richard Smith) for a while now, but I have come up against many dead ends. Perhaps you can help steer me in the right direction.

What I know:
My branch of the Smith family came in 1870 (Mom told me this, and cross-referencing tells me this is true.
Richard Smith's wife, my great-grandmother (Anne Elizabeth Smith) and an infant son died en route, it would seem, since they left England as a family of five (I thought my grandfather Richard - b. 1863 - was a twin, but family stories are always a little suspect. However, I definitely know that a younger brother died either as soon as they arrived or on board - see the following immigration record: http://interactive.ancestry.ca/1263/e003532481/203708?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.ca%2f%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dCanadianPL%26h%3d203708%26ti%3d5543%26indiv%3dtry%26gss%3dpt%26ssrc%3dpt_t27033822_p12051610697_kpidz0q3d12051610697z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&ssrc=pt_t27033822_p12051610697_kpidz0q3d12051610697z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&backlabel=ReturnRecord

Also, although I know Richard Sr's first wife's name was Anne Elizabeth (probably went by Annie, like her daughter). I have no idea what her last name was. I have not found her in any cemetery or in any record of a marriage (incidentally, they would have been married or else they would not have been sponsored to come to Canada). A distant cousin tells me that she might be buried in someone else's plot, but not named on the headstone.

You may say, well look up a death certificate for Richard. Unfortunately, his mother's name is "unknown". However, the death certificate for his sister appears to list an "Annie" or "Hannah" Emons as the maiden name of her mother. Once again, I have not found a record of a marriage of Annie Emons and Richard Smith around 1860. See: http://search.ancestry.ca/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=ontario_deaths&h=733540&ti=5543&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t27033822_p12229314649_kpidz0q3d12229314649z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid

Re: The occupation for Richard Smith (b. 1834) - he was a shoemaker. He learned this trade in the "Navy".

So, now you know what I have been up against. I will find out eventually, but it will take time.

Thanks for whatever leads you can provide.

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England / Re: Merchant Navy in Britain pre 1863
« on: Saturday 20 December 14 12:17 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Martin.

You have given me a good foundation of knowledge with which to work.

As you can imagine, with a name like Richard Smith, my task is rather daunting. I have recently registered with 23 and Me in the hopes that I may someday find his relatives through our mutual DNA rather than just through the traditional genealogy sites.

Cheers,
Marianne

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England / Re: Merchant Navy in Britain pre 1863
« on: Friday 19 December 14 15:12 GMT (UK)  »
This is the million dollar question. I used to think he was a Londoner since my grandfather, his son, was born in East end London; however, this was just an assumption on my part. With a name like "Richard Smith", you can imagine how many I am finding. I don't even know the last name of his first wife. Her first names were Anne Elizabeth (I suspect she went by "Annie", the same name as her daughter).  She died on route to Canada.

I thought that maybe identifying him by birth year and occupation might make things a little easier.

What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks for trying.

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England / Merchant Navy in Britain pre 1863
« on: Friday 19 December 14 14:41 GMT (UK)  »
I am seeking information about my great-grandfather's experience in the British Merchant Navy prior to 1863 (by then, he was married and living in London).

Richard Smith (born 1834) was nine when he joined the navy (Mom told me this years ago). I have since learned that boys that young were not accepted into the British Navy, but instead went into the Merchant Navy. As well, evidently many of these boys came from poor circumstances (workhouses, for example).

What I know about him:

..He learned his shoemaker trade in the navy,
..His ship went to the Crimea.
..A ship he was on also stopped slave ships.

What I'd like to know:

..Where were most of these boys from in England?
..How many shoemakers were on board each ship? Would he have been one of several apprentices?
..Is there a list of apprentices who served in the Merchant Navy?.
..Would he have received a pension when he left?
..would he have received any medals? If so, which ones?
..Was leaving the Merchant Navy easy, or would he have had to buy his way out?

Any information you can provide about him and/or the life of a boy in the Merchant Navy at this time would be most helpful. Thanks.

Cheers,
Marianne

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Lancashire / Re: Arkwrights in wigan and preston?
« on: Monday 19 May 14 14:20 BST (UK)  »
Thanks. No direct link, but maybe distant cousins.


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Lancashire / Re: Arkwrights in wigan and preston??
« on: Monday 19 May 14 03:31 BST (UK)  »
Have you had any luck with finding out the connection of these two sets of Arkwrights?
I am descended from the Wigan Arkwrights. Although I am not directly related to Sir Richard, it would seem logical, given the close proximity of Preston to Wigan, that the two families are connected.

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Tyrone / Re: Tracey family of Drumshambo near Cookstown Co. Tyrone
« on: Thursday 10 April 14 16:19 BST (UK)  »
Thank you. Indeed, the Tracey Clann site is excellent. One bit of info I found on it was what Dad told me years ago; i.e., that we are descended from the Kings of Ireland. When he told me this, I said, "Really?" He then replied, "All Irishmen say they're descended from the Kings of Ireland". Nevertheless, I think it's a good story.

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Tyrone / Re: Tracey family of Drumshambo near Cookstown Co. Tyrone
« on: Thursday 10 April 14 15:04 BST (UK)  »
Excellent! Whatever tips, findings, or suggested sites you can offer are most appreciated.
As well, a fresh set of eyes really helps. Thanks again.

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