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When & where did Isabella (Snr) die?

Do you have her DC & what details are on it?

What details do you have for her on 1911 census, please include all?

Annie

Isabella (snr) died 24-4-1881 as Isabella Churchill "married to Colin Morrison(Baker) 2nd to William Churchill Wireworker" at New Royal Infirmary Edinburgh, witnessed by Donald Morrison (Son)."

This is my wife's side of the family, she is descended through Isabella (jnr) who married Thomas Goodley in 1874.  On her marriage certificate it states, father Colin Morrison Seaman! deceased mother Isabella Morrison MS Morrison, witnesses Donald Morrison and Jane Churchill.  Hadn't noticed Colin was a Seaman (had been a baker previously) being a seaman might explain his disappearance and death.

Rob

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"Isabella and the two children are on the 1861 census"

Can you supply details (ages) of all of the above please & where all were said to have been born?

Annie
I think the births in Heriot and Warriston don't have the right parents.

On the 1861 and 1881 censuses, Isabella (daughter) was born in Glasgow, Lanark, on 1871 and 1891 censuses it says Edinburgh or Scotland.
I had checked Glasgow births but none had the right parents, however I've just spotted an 
Elizabeth Isabella Morrison born in 1856, in Anderston, Glasgow, parents Colin and Isabelle Morrison.  So one more step in the right direction.
Isabelle (mother) and Donald where both born in Edinburgh according to the 1861 and 1871 censuses.

On the 1861 census we have Isabella (mother) age 27, Donald age 7 and Isabella (daughter) age 5.
On the 1871 census we have Isabella (mother) age 36, Donald age 16, Isabella (daughter) age 14,

Over to Jane, I'm going out on a limb here, but:-
On the 1881 census she is Jane G Churchill, but there is a marriage later in 1881 for a Robert Brough and Jane Westwood, on the marriage record is says mother is Isabella Westwood MS Morrison (deceased), Isabella died April 1881, father Robert Westwood, Printer, Compositor.  Jane is age 18, which would put her birth to 1863, which would be why she isn't on the 1861 census, but doesn't explain why she is 14 in 1871.  Elsewhere in ancestry's records she is Jane Gibson Brough.  The name Westwood crops up in more recent generations as a middle name, and if I'm correct and sister Eleanor married Alexander Wylie then at least one of their children had Westwood as a middle name.
So lots to investigate there.

Rob

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Have you looked for Colin migrating in 1864 & have you found any potentials?

Do you know of any other family connections in other countries where he may have gone to?

Annie

No leads so far, his daughter moved to London some time after marrying,and a sister may have moved to USA, but no further clues there.
There seems to be so many people in Scotland who have the same few names that it difficult to know who is who, and tracking anyone without proper access to the Scottish censuses isn't easy.

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"Isaac, age 3 (b1868) his birth certicate has the message about the missing husband"

Can you please tell us exactly what it says about the 'missing husband'?

Is he named on Isaacs birth, what was his occ. on that birth & the others?


Most of the message about the missing husband is in the original post, but I missed the first line.  The full message in the father column is:-
Isabella Morrison wife of Colin
Morrison (Baker) who she declares
is not the father of this child
having been furth of Scotland for four years

"Isabella in 1856" What's written on her BC & who signed?

What is Isabella's marital status on the 1861 census?
I can't find births for Donald 1854 or Isabella 1856 (or any years either side).  I only have ancestry.co.uk's record of the 1861 census, not the original image, that states she is 'Head' of the family.

"Jane, who on the census is the same as a daughter Isabella, but wasn't on the previous census, can't find a birth record for her"

I'm not understanding what you mean, sorry but what ages were each on the census' you have them on i.e. what was the yr of birth of each & where?

Annie


On the 1861 census we have Isabella (mother) age 27, Donald age 7 and Isabella (daughter) age 5.
On the 1871 census we have Isabella (mother) age 36, Donald age 16, Isabella (daughter) age 14, but now there is also Jane also age 14, and Eleanor age 5 and Isaac age 3.
I have birth records for Eleanor and Isaac, Eleanor states illegitimate and Isaac's says that Colin isn't the father but doesn't say who is.

Hope this helps a bit more.

Rob


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If you post all details of your man in question regarding your post (including the yr/place (area) of the snip you posted), marriage details/parents/place & approx. Dob/occ. etc (any details you have) I'm sure there's a chance of help available here  ;)

Can you please include what you do know of his whereabouts when/where/death (all to help trace the missing yrs)?

If RCers can't find him, no-one will!  ;D

Annie

He is Colin Murray Morrison b 24-6-1824 Edinburgh, Scotland parents Donald Morrison and Euphemia Mathieson
He is on the 1841 Scotland Census as Colin Mcintosh, mother has remarried to an Archibald McIntosh.
He is on the 1851 Scotland Census as Coleen Morrison 26, Baker (Journeyman)
In 1852 he married Isabella Morrison in Edinburgh.
They have two children, Donald in 1854 and Isabella in 1856
Isabella and the two children are on the 1861 census.
On the 1871 census Isabella has married William Churchill and has five children, Donald and Isabella, plus:-
Jane, who on the census is the same as a daughter Isabella, but wasn't on the previous census, can't find a birth record for her.
Eleanor, age 5 (b1865) "illegitimate" on her birth certificate,
Isaac, age 3 (b1868) his birth certicate has the message about the missing husband.
All five children are Morrison on the 1871 census, and "Stepchildren" of William Churchill.
After 1851 I can find no record of Colin.

Rob

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That makes sense, I wonder where he'd been.
The woman had had another illegitimate child a couple of years before.

Thank you both

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Can anyone decipher the words on the bottom line of this description.  It gives a clue as to why this woman's husband isn't the father of her child, but I can't make out the crucial part of the bottom line.

I think I can make out:-
Morrison (Baker) who she declares
is not the father of this child
having been _______ of (Scotland?) for four years.

Thank you

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: 1841 census too faint to read
« on: Tuesday 12 December 17 10:34 GMT (UK)  »
Well done everyone :)

I got it wrong as I though she may have been Widowed and did not have access to the 1830 Marriage.
I apologise.

Trish :)

Don't worry, it sounded plausible without the 1830 info, added to the fact that most previous researchers have taken the easy path and assume the 1838 marriage was right because the names almost fitted.
I had a similar example in my mothers family tree.  I was looking for the maiden name for a Caroline Hill my great great great grandmother.  No sign of a husband in the censuses, so a look through other family trees found a marriage in 1850 for Henry Hill and Caroline Sparrow, surely that was the right one, the names fit?  Bought the marriage certificate to find that Caroline Sparrow married James Sparrow so not the right one at all.  After a lot more digging I found she was actually a Matthews, had children with a least one,possibly two men named Hill, but never married  them and children with another man, again never married but used his name.

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Census Lookup and Resource Requests / Re: 1841 census too faint to read
« on: Monday 11 December 17 14:39 GMT (UK)  »
Yes.

Added:  possible reason I can't see earlier baptisms, at Dunkirk, might be that earlier volumes are not available to view.  :-\

The earlier births might not have been in Dunkirk, third child William seems to have been born in Sittingbourne, Kent.  So the older two could also have been born there or elsewhere.

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