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Buteshire / Re: Kilmory - Is "Crawford" the same as "McGraffan"
« on: Friday 03 February 23 02:23 GMT (UK)  »
In case someone else is looking at this in the future, I'll set out what I have (which by the way is all set out on the FamilySearch tree which I referenced earlier in this thread):

1772 Kilmory Kirk Session Minutes:
January 23rd, DANIEL McNEIL in Kildonnen and his spouse ISBEL CRAUFORD rebuked for antenuptial fornification

1773 Bap of dau Mary, to Daniel McNeal & Isabel CRAWFORD, in Kilmory
1775 Bap of dau Cathrine, to Donald McNeil & Isabel McGRAFFAN, in Kilmory
1778 Bap of dau Mary, to Donald McNeil & NcGRAFFAN, in Kilmory
1780 Bap of son William, to "Donald MacNeil & Isabel CRAWFORD his wife in Dippin" [per actual Record], in Kilmory
1784 Bap of son Allan, to Donald MacNeil & Isabel CRAWFORD, in Kilmory
1787 Bap of son Robert, to Donald MacNeil & Isabel CRAWFORD, in Kilmory
1790 Bap of dau Janet, to Donald MacNeil & Isabel CRAWFORD, in Kilmory
1792 Bap of dau Janet, to Donald MacNeil & Isabel CRAWFORD, in Kilmory
1796 Bap of son Donald, to Donald MacNeil & Isabel CRAWFORD, in Kilmory

(So there were actually two children recorded with mother as McGraffan - so not just a one-off error)

1841 Census at Dipping, Kilmory, Bute:
ROBT McNiel, 50, Farmer, born Bute [son Robert b1787]
CATHARINE McNiel, 65, born Bute [dau Catherine b1775]
Janet McNiel, 10, born Bute [dau of son Allan b1784]

1851 Census at Dipping, Kilmory, Bute:
ROBERT McNiel, head, 63 [c1788], single, Pauper Formerly Farmer, born Dipping, Bute [son Robert b1787]
CATHERINE McNiel, sister, 75 [c1776], single, Pauper, born Kildonnan, Bute [dau Catherine b1775]
[Their birth places tying in with the parents initially being in Kildonnan (per 1772 Kirk Session rebuke) and then being in Dipping (per son William's 1780 bap)]

1858 SP Death Index: ROBERT McNeil, age 70 [c1788], mother's maiden name Crawford, in Kilmory, Bute
1858 SP Death Index: CATHERINE McNiel, age 82 [c1776], mother's maiden name Crawford, in Kilmory, Bute

Cheers
John

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Buteshire / Re: Kilmory - Is "Crawford" the same as "McGraffan"
« on: Thursday 02 February 23 09:52 GMT (UK)  »
Forfarian, yes forking out for birth records would be the next logical step, but in this instance I haven't got any personal interest so I'll leave it at that.

It's the matter of that Catherine (mother recorded as McGraffan) which raised the query. She appears in Census as sister of Robert, he being one of the kids who has his mother recorded as Crawford; and the SP Death Index has her 1858 Death with "mother's maiden name Crawford". Which all points to McGraffan being synonymous with Crawford in this instance.
regards
John

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Buteshire / Re: Kilmory - Is "Crawford" the same as "McGraffan"
« on: Thursday 02 February 23 01:09 GMT (UK)  »
GR2. Thanks. However Isobel's spouse was Donald McNeil, not a McGraffan. The FS Tree currently has her surname as "Crawford or McGraffan" only because that's what I changed it to yesterday - to reflect my conclusion that Isobel Crawford and Isobel McGraffan are the same person.

Although it always possible Isobel had a prior marriage to a McGraffan, I discounted that because the birth record for Isobel's first child has Isobel's surname as "Crawford" and it would be unlikely for her surname to then revert back to a surname obtained thru a prior marriage for the next two children then back Crawford for the remaining six children. Much more likely that Isobel's maiden name is Crawford sometimes pronounced locally as McGraffan. Hence my query to Bute experts wondering whether Crawford and McGraffan are the same surname.

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Buteshire / Re: Kilmory - Is "Crawford" the same as "McGraffan"
« on: Wednesday 01 February 23 18:37 GMT (UK)  »
GR2. My query was initiated by the case of Catherine McNeil - FamilySearch Ref KHNK-BRF


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Buteshire / Kilmory - Is "Crawford" the same as "McGraffan"
« on: Wednesday 01 February 23 07:52 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
Does anyone know whether Crawford and McGraffan are variations of the same surname, and used interchangeably in Kilmory (c1770's)?

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Lanarkshire / Re: MI for John Smith, Minister of Symington, Lanark, from 1813 to 1834
« on: Saturday 29 October 22 04:36 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for those replies, exactly what I was after  :)

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Lanarkshire / Re: Montieth Row, Calton, Glasgow
« on: Sunday 23 October 22 03:02 BST (UK)  »
I just received an 1860 Marriage Record from District of Calton, Burgh of Glasgow, with 2 Marriages on the page.
Marriage 1 was at 22 Monteith Row, according to the forms of the Free Church.
Marriage 2 was at 13 Monteith Row, according to the forms of the Independent Church.
So the area certainly seems to have been a hotbed for nuptials
regards
John

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Occupation Interests / Re: What on earth is a Calendar Worker? COMPLETED THANKS
« on: Thursday 20 October 22 06:44 BST (UK)  »
I have an 1888 Marriage Regn in Dundee which has the groom's occupation as "Calendar Worker". Interestingly his occupation on another 1888 Regn is "Friday Worker" - perhaps a twist on the name used by those in that occupation

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Thanks for your help.
Cheers, John

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