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  I really appreciate that you monitor this as much as you do, and that you help many of us when we could use that help. 
While I may have put much of what little information that I have about my great grandmother in my post, there are still many things that I have not found, and one of them (something that I share in common with a lot of folks that post to this board) is that I really don't know what it is I am looking for - but anything about her will help fill in the voids.
  One of the things that I found recently was that Griffith's listed her father as a McCOSKER, which means that there may be a link somewhere.
  Again, and I think that I can say that for a lot of other people, THANK YOU for your constancy.  It tells us that someone out there that knows so much about this genealogy thing and the internet will help us.

Any information that could be provided on the CARROLL family that resided in the area of Coachford, County Cork,would be appreciated. 

In the early 1880's Honora CARROLL married John WHONOHAN (Variants: Hounihan and Hounahan).  He was from the Donoughmore Parish, and the marriage took place in a Roman Catholic ceremony on 27//11/1824. 

Two witnesses were John WHONOHAN and William WHONOHAN.

They couple went to live in Donoughmore.  They had a child named Margaret and she was baptised 30/09/1830.  Two sponsors were Robert Whonohan and Judith Carroll, who were somehow related to the parents - but we are unsure of that fact.

As I understand it, Coachford is in the Parish of Magourney, near the parishes of Donaghmore and Cannaway where the Hounihans may be located - at least in time for Griffith's Valuation. 

Thank you, all of this information is helpful. 

The problem is that in all of these cases, this being north of Cork, the only one that was spelling it with a "W" was Maggie in that family unit.  And, even then, we don't know if Maggie knew how it was being spelled.  While some of the records indicate that spelling, and as I have said there were few spelling rules in those days, trying to make sense of a family tree is rather difficult when you have mother and father, and brothers and sisters (even some grandparents and aunts and uncles),  all spelling their surname differently. 

Sometimes they did not know that it was different, in the same family unit, because they did not read or write and the scrivener wrote it down as he heard it. 

What I was wondering, how would you work it into a family tree so that it is recognizable as part of a family unit?  See, you have even opened up a new line of discussion by interjecting the "Cooney's" which according to MacLysaght is a different derivation: O' Cuana.   

Hounihan comes from O hUamhnachain and is a north Cork name.  

Actually, my name is Carroll and some people will swear that is a Ely name (and perhaps Nora Carroll was) but my father was from Ulster.  And that name could be a McCarvill - but actually, when we search all of the records we can only find McCarroll's.  It gets more complicated when we add in McCosker (or should we say McCusker as some recorders have put it) because that was my great grandmother on my father's side. 

I know there is no simple rationale for digging up these ancestors (that is figuratively, because we really should leave them to their graves).  But perhaps, someone out there has a way to handle this matter.   

Thanks aghadowney, that is one reason for never taking cognizance of a relationship just based upon one source, even if documented.

Having said that, there was a reason for citing the obituary and then asking if there was anyone who could shed light on a JOHN MC CUSKER of Legamaghery and PATRICK JOSEPH MC GARRITY of Agharonan.  (Sometimes the spelling for the townland is Augharonan.) 

Both were listed as cousins to the late Michael Joseph Mc Carroll in 1924.  (It must also be noted that women were not normally at the graveside, so there is not mention made of who they might be in those obits.)

We know that Catherine Mc Cusker was the daughter of PATRICK MC COSKER (sic) and she was born circa 1848 – 1851, depending on which documentary source is most accurate.  We also know that she was born in Agharonan, probably in household No. 34.  She had a number of siblings, including possibly John Mc Cusker of Legamaghery.  We don’t know the name of her mother, although it also was possibly Catherine.

We also know that a Pat Mc Cusker passed away in 1868, who well could have been Catherine’s father – at least he was the only “Pat” that we located.  Patrick Mc Cusker would have been born circa 1813, and the name of the registrar’s informant indicated that there was a John Mc Cusker in the family, because he was present at Pat’s death. (The problem locating Catherine's mother is a duplication of Owen and Catherine marriages and deaths about the same time.  There was an Owen Mc Carroll who married a Catherine Mc Ginn and the records seem to be mixed togther.)

By the 1901 census there was only one Mc Cusker in Agharonan – James.  But there were two in Legamaghery – Patrick and Edward.  Although we could not locate any John’s as of that date, it was noted that a John Mc Cusker at age 32 passed away at Mullagharn and he had a bother named Patrick.

Now we turn to the Mc Garrity connection or Mc Geraghty as it was once called.  There was a JANE MC GARRITY living with Andrew Bogan’s family in Cattor (at No. 7) according to the 1911 census.  Ellen Bogan, nee Mc Carroll, was Michael Joseph Mc Carroll’s sister and Andrew was in attendance at Mickey’s funeral, and listed as his brother-in-law in the obit.  But it must be noted that this Jane was the daughter of a McCusker, not a McCarroll.  Her parents were Thomas Mc.Garrity and Jane Mc Cusker of Agharonan, according to her birth certification.

However, it must be noted, we could not locate anything about Patrick Joseph Mc Garrity who was listed as a cousin to Michael.  (Note:  Mary Hagan was living in No. 5, Cattor, with her 6 children including May Agnes, next door to the Bogans.)

Hello Roisin.
 
Like you I am one of the McCarroll's from the Eskragh parish, specifically Corkhill.  But my family ties are not directly related to yours - although in the distance there had to be some connection.

I was interested in your comments about Maggie McCarroll.  I assume that she was the one who married James Hagan.  Was she a McGarrity from Agharonan?  That assumption is  made because I heard from Maggie Tighe (before she passed away - she was over 90 in 1982 when I first visited) that Maggie was a cousin - somehow related not only through the McCarrolls but also the McCuskers  But then, aren’t all of those McCarroll's, Devine's, Donnely's, and McGarrity's “friends” as Maggie called the cousins?

My great grandmother was a McCosker, although she spelt her name as McCusker.  She was from Agharonan, daughter of Patrick.  She married Owen McCarroll of Corkhill and they lived in a place that was torn down by the Devines in 1982 (that was No. 2). 

They had a number of children: Ellen who married Andrew Bogan; Pat who was single and made his way to San Francisco with his brother Tom, who married Catherine from Newtonsaville; Michael who went to California and returned to Fintona where he married my grandmother Agnes Gaffigan; Hugh and Jane who stayed in the Corkhill residence where my great grandmother died, and then there was Little Owen who was father to a number of children who stayed around the Omagh and Beragh areas.

Michael returned to Omagh and married Agnes, then went into business in Fintona.  Mickey and Agnes, my grandparents, owned the pub in Fintona on Main Street where my father and his siblings were raised.  They sold it to Francis McAtee when Michael became ill and was soon to die, in 1924.  My father left for San Francisco shortly after and that was where I was raised.