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Lanarkshire / Re: William McLean
« on: Tuesday 31 May 22 12:02 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much for those, Lodger. I didn't have them.
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Lanarkshire / Re: William McLean
« on: Monday 30 May 22 22:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Forfarian and thanks
I definitely think William was illegitimate.
The marriage certificate reads:
"William McLean
Weaver
(Deceased)
Betsy McLean"
re. the Parochial Board. I'll check that out, thanks!
I definitely think William was illegitimate.
The marriage certificate reads:
"William McLean
Weaver
(Deceased)
Betsy McLean"
re. the Parochial Board. I'll check that out, thanks!
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Lanarkshire / William McLean
« on: Monday 30 May 22 20:12 BST (UK) »
Hi all. I’m hoping for some help, please. This post may be a bit long, but please bear with…
My 3x great-grandfather William McLean was born about 1843 in Rutherglen. His origins remain a mystery to me and his parents have proved elusive. In the past year I’ve discovered that he was raised by the Docherty family and used that surname in the years prior to his marriage.
He’s recorded as “William Lee” on the 1851 census, a 7-yr-old boy who “Resides” with Andrew and Margaret Dochedy, and their children Elizabeth, James and Margaret, at Main Street, Rutherglen. (I believe Andrew is a mistake and should actually say Edward)
On the 1861 census, he’s living in Kilwinning, Ayrshire, under the name “William Dougherty.” He’s described as a brother to the head of the household, another William Dougherty. This older William is married to Margaret and has five children. James Dougherty, another brother, is also living there.
An illegitimate daughter named Janet was born in March 1861 at Rutherglen to Jane McComb(s). Her name on her birth certificate was Janet Docherty, and both parents registered the birth. Baby Janet is tacked on to the very end of the 1861 census pages for Rutherglen. Her address is 38 Main Street, the home of her grandmother, Ruth McCombs.
William and Jane married on 31 December 1861 at Chapel, in the parish of Cambusnethan. He was resident of Chapel, Jane resident of Rutherglen. He is 20, she is 22. William’s parents are named as William McLean, Weaver (Deceased) and Betsy McLean. No maiden surname is given for his mother.
William and Jane’s illegitimate daughter Janet died in March 1862 at Chapel. Her surname at death was McLean.
William and Jane had 11 more children:
Sarah - b. 1862, Chapel (died aged 13mos)
Thomas - b. 1864, Chapel
James - b. 1866, Chapel
Margaret Docherty - b. 1868, Waterloo
William - b. 1870, Overtown (died aged 2yrs)
Janet - b. 1872, Larkhall (died aged 6yrs)
William - b. 1874, Larkhall
Rebecca Love - b. 1875, Larkhall (died aged 7yrs)
Jane - b. 1877, Larkhall (died aged 15mos)
Peter - b. 1879, Larkhall
George Simpson - b. 1882, Larkhall
The McLeans moved to Larkhall in around 1872, and William died there in 1887. Daniel Munro, a neighbour, registered his death. He named William’s parents as George McLean, a labourer, and Rebecca McLean, maiden surname McLean.
I’ve spent some time researching the Docherty family to see if I can find any link to William or any McLean family, to no avail. There appears to be two branches of the family descended from two brothers, Edward (the Andrew “William Lee” resided with as a child), and James, the sons of Edward Docherty and Rebecca Glen.
Edward/Andrew Docherty’s daughter Margaret married her cousin, James Docherty Love, son of John Love and Rebecca Docherty. The Loves later moved to Larkhall and lived near to William and his family.
Seeing as my William McLean named two of his daughters after Margaret Docherty and Rebecca Love, I’m certain that William Lee/William Docherty/William McLean are all the same man.
I’ve checked the Kirk Sessions for Rutherglen and can find no mention of little William being placed with the Docherty family or anything similar.
Does anyone have any suggestions of where I could look next to discover William’s parentage?
Thanks in anticipation!
My 3x great-grandfather William McLean was born about 1843 in Rutherglen. His origins remain a mystery to me and his parents have proved elusive. In the past year I’ve discovered that he was raised by the Docherty family and used that surname in the years prior to his marriage.
He’s recorded as “William Lee” on the 1851 census, a 7-yr-old boy who “Resides” with Andrew and Margaret Dochedy, and their children Elizabeth, James and Margaret, at Main Street, Rutherglen. (I believe Andrew is a mistake and should actually say Edward)
On the 1861 census, he’s living in Kilwinning, Ayrshire, under the name “William Dougherty.” He’s described as a brother to the head of the household, another William Dougherty. This older William is married to Margaret and has five children. James Dougherty, another brother, is also living there.
An illegitimate daughter named Janet was born in March 1861 at Rutherglen to Jane McComb(s). Her name on her birth certificate was Janet Docherty, and both parents registered the birth. Baby Janet is tacked on to the very end of the 1861 census pages for Rutherglen. Her address is 38 Main Street, the home of her grandmother, Ruth McCombs.
William and Jane married on 31 December 1861 at Chapel, in the parish of Cambusnethan. He was resident of Chapel, Jane resident of Rutherglen. He is 20, she is 22. William’s parents are named as William McLean, Weaver (Deceased) and Betsy McLean. No maiden surname is given for his mother.
William and Jane’s illegitimate daughter Janet died in March 1862 at Chapel. Her surname at death was McLean.
William and Jane had 11 more children:
Sarah - b. 1862, Chapel (died aged 13mos)
Thomas - b. 1864, Chapel
James - b. 1866, Chapel
Margaret Docherty - b. 1868, Waterloo
William - b. 1870, Overtown (died aged 2yrs)
Janet - b. 1872, Larkhall (died aged 6yrs)
William - b. 1874, Larkhall
Rebecca Love - b. 1875, Larkhall (died aged 7yrs)
Jane - b. 1877, Larkhall (died aged 15mos)
Peter - b. 1879, Larkhall
George Simpson - b. 1882, Larkhall
The McLeans moved to Larkhall in around 1872, and William died there in 1887. Daniel Munro, a neighbour, registered his death. He named William’s parents as George McLean, a labourer, and Rebecca McLean, maiden surname McLean.
I’ve spent some time researching the Docherty family to see if I can find any link to William or any McLean family, to no avail. There appears to be two branches of the family descended from two brothers, Edward (the Andrew “William Lee” resided with as a child), and James, the sons of Edward Docherty and Rebecca Glen.
Edward/Andrew Docherty’s daughter Margaret married her cousin, James Docherty Love, son of John Love and Rebecca Docherty. The Loves later moved to Larkhall and lived near to William and his family.
Seeing as my William McLean named two of his daughters after Margaret Docherty and Rebecca Love, I’m certain that William Lee/William Docherty/William McLean are all the same man.
I’ve checked the Kirk Sessions for Rutherglen and can find no mention of little William being placed with the Docherty family or anything similar.
Does anyone have any suggestions of where I could look next to discover William’s parentage?
Thanks in anticipation!
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Northumberland / Re: Quinnin Grave
« on: Monday 24 May 21 23:54 BST (UK) »
Hello - I'm shocked to see so many replies to this old post!
JenN and AllanUK - Thanks so much for your responses. Back in 2014 I discovered that Martin and Margery Quinnin were buried in the churchyard of St Mary the Virgin, Stamfordham, as were a few of their children, and even a great-grandchild. They don't have a headstone, sadly, but using the parish records I was able to guess the general area where they are. We went and laid flowers for them and our other relatives soon after. Stamfordham is such a beautiful village.
Leopardprintcat - Thanks so much for reaching out! I've been to Wallridge a couple of times, just passing through. On one occasion we spoke to a man who had known my Great Uncle Barty, who died in 1985. He told us a few stories of how harsh the winters in Wallridge were, and about a German man named Otto who my Uncle Barty was good friends with, who lived a couple of doors down from him. Wallridge is thought of so fondly in my family. Many of my older relatives remember the days of getting the bus there and staying with relatives - at one point most of the occupants of Wallridge appear to have been Quinnin relatives of some description!
Thanks and kind regards,
pckl
JenN and AllanUK - Thanks so much for your responses. Back in 2014 I discovered that Martin and Margery Quinnin were buried in the churchyard of St Mary the Virgin, Stamfordham, as were a few of their children, and even a great-grandchild. They don't have a headstone, sadly, but using the parish records I was able to guess the general area where they are. We went and laid flowers for them and our other relatives soon after. Stamfordham is such a beautiful village.
Leopardprintcat - Thanks so much for reaching out! I've been to Wallridge a couple of times, just passing through. On one occasion we spoke to a man who had known my Great Uncle Barty, who died in 1985. He told us a few stories of how harsh the winters in Wallridge were, and about a German man named Otto who my Uncle Barty was good friends with, who lived a couple of doors down from him. Wallridge is thought of so fondly in my family. Many of my older relatives remember the days of getting the bus there and staying with relatives - at one point most of the occupants of Wallridge appear to have been Quinnin relatives of some description!
Thanks and kind regards,
pckl
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Northumberland / Re: Single Row, South Newsham
« on: Tuesday 20 August 19 19:33 BST (UK) »
Hi MacYork,
I'm a descendant of Martin Quinnin, the brother of Helen Atkinson.
Helen, Harrison and their family are buried in Blyth Links Cemetery. I found their grave a few years ago. I'll need to find the photo I took to send on to you.
I'm not sure about the rest of the Atkinsons as they're not my direct line, but Seghill churchyard might be another option.
Callum
I'm a descendant of Martin Quinnin, the brother of Helen Atkinson.
Helen, Harrison and their family are buried in Blyth Links Cemetery. I found their grave a few years ago. I'll need to find the photo I took to send on to you.
I'm not sure about the rest of the Atkinsons as they're not my direct line, but Seghill churchyard might be another option.
Callum
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Sarah Barras - Cause of death
« on: Friday 18 December 15 12:19 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much, stanmapstone!
That definition certainly makes more sense. The only mentions I could find were about menopause - in both sexes, as is also mentioned on that webpage.
Merry Christmas
pckl
That definition certainly makes more sense. The only mentions I could find were about menopause - in both sexes, as is also mentioned on that webpage.
Merry Christmas
pckl
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Sarah Barras - Cause of death
« on: Friday 18 December 15 11:59 GMT (UK) »
Hello all.
Received the death certificate of Sarah Barras, my 5x Great Grandmother, this morning. I can't quite make out the cause of death.
I've Googled, and the only thing I can find is Climacteric Disease, but I'm not so sure about that...
Would anyone be able to take a look?
Thanks, and Merry Christmas all.
pckl
Received the death certificate of Sarah Barras, my 5x Great Grandmother, this morning. I can't quite make out the cause of death.
I've Googled, and the only thing I can find is Climacteric Disease, but I'm not so sure about that...
Would anyone be able to take a look?
Thanks, and Merry Christmas all.
pckl
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Lanarkshire / Re: Multiplepoinding - Newspaper Article
« on: Wednesday 11 November 15 18:11 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that, Don.
Carolineasb - I have had a look on ScotlandsPeople but couldn't see any of the people. There were a few Mungo Cochrans, but I couldn't see a one that could relate to this case.
I did a bit of digging into Helen Donald or Longmuir by purchasing her death certificate. Her parents are recorded as Thomas Donald and Margaret Brownlee. I looked at the index to see if they had any other children, to find they had a Marion in 1780 which fits with what I know about my Marion. Might've just smashed a brick wall!
I will continue to look for the rest of the people in the article.
Regards,
pckl
Carolineasb - I have had a look on ScotlandsPeople but couldn't see any of the people. There were a few Mungo Cochrans, but I couldn't see a one that could relate to this case.
I did a bit of digging into Helen Donald or Longmuir by purchasing her death certificate. Her parents are recorded as Thomas Donald and Margaret Brownlee. I looked at the index to see if they had any other children, to find they had a Marion in 1780 which fits with what I know about my Marion. Might've just smashed a brick wall!
I will continue to look for the rest of the people in the article.
Regards,
pckl
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Lanarkshire / Re: Multiplepoinding - Newspaper Article
« on: Tuesday 10 November 15 15:40 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Carolineasb. That does clear things up, somewhat.
I find this sort of stuff quite hard to understand, so wondered if it says in the article where the money originally came from? I was thinking perhaps the Donalds, as they are mentioned towards the close of the article, or even the William Yuill mentioned. I can understand the Donald connection, but haven't yet came across Yuill in this line.
Thanks very much
pckl
I find this sort of stuff quite hard to understand, so wondered if it says in the article where the money originally came from? I was thinking perhaps the Donalds, as they are mentioned towards the close of the article, or even the William Yuill mentioned. I can understand the Donald connection, but haven't yet came across Yuill in this line.
Thanks very much
pckl