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Durham / Re: One of my many dead ends Hugh Perry
« on: Sunday 02 June 24 11:14 BST (UK)  »
Sorry to bump an old thread, I am also a descendant of Hugh Perry and am reviewing this branch again at the moment.

One hint that may indicate that Hugh and Elizabeth didn't marry in Sunderland is that their first son Thomas Perry was baptised on 11 Oct 1774 in Sunderland, but it is noted that he was 'born Nov 1771', almost three years earlier. He is also baptised on the same day as his sister Jane (my ancestor).

So a scenario could be that Hugh and Elizabeth had Thomas elsewhere in the country, perhaps somewhere they weren't intending to stay, and it was only once they had settled in Sunderland and gave birth to Jane that they baptised both children simultaneously.

The Hodgson thing has always bothered me... it's so tempting to just guess she was probably Elizabeth Hodgson but we can't do that. As someone pointed out, it could be a family name passed down from either side.

We know Hugh Perry died in around 1779/80, because his son Hugh died in 1780 and the burial records him as 'son of Elizabeth Perry', the only reason I think they would exclude Hugh is if he had died. So he died between the twins (Hugh & Hodgson's) baptism on 21 Mar 1779 and Hugh Jr's burial on 14 Jul 1780. Hugh's widow Elizabeth remarried to William Moore in 1784 and had two further children, Mary (1786) and Margaret (1791), before dying in 1821 with a recorded age of 70. So we know Elizabeth was likely born around 1751, making it very likely Hugh was her first husband for sure.

Sadly that's all I know... I can't find their marriage either. The one in Kent was tempting, because the dates would match (married in Feb 1771 after they realise Elizabeth was pregnant, she gives birth nine months later in Nov 1771 to Thomas), but it's purely guesswork.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Revisiting brickwalls and "backburners".
« on: Monday 27 May 24 23:28 BST (UK)  »
The WORST type of brick wall is where you know the answer exists... but it's impossible to piece together.

My ancestor James Parker was baptised in Ryton, Co Durham on 26 July 1789, the only info recorded is "son of John Parker"... no occupation, no mothers name, nothing. There were at least THREE John Parkers married and having children simultaneously in that time period at that location and the parish records give such minimal information it is likely to be impossible to pin point exactly which John is the right one.

Frustrating!!!

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The Common Room / Re: Starting from scratch
« on: Saturday 18 May 24 17:17 BST (UK)  »
Hey, sorry to bump an old thread, but I'm the original poster and thought I'd share the story of what I ended up doing here.

As I mentioned in my original post I was very tempted to start from scratch and do my whole tree again as I was not confident I had been accurate during my research in my early 20's before I refined my research skills to what they are today. But the idea of starting from scratch (again) was utterly depressing.

So I decided on a compromise, I decided to create an ancestor list (ahnentafel), starting with myself, and going backwards through the generations, verifying each link, sourcing every fact, ordering every available certificate for every ancestor (a lot easier with digital images now available), and attaching a link to every source and image available so that the evidence for each fact is available at the click of a button.

I started in January 2024, and am back to generation eight (6x great grandparents) so far, and the results have been extraordinary. It's amazing what such detailed research on every indivudual can unlock.

The first correction I found was a fact about myself! Turns out the name of the hospital I was born in was different to what I had thought (whoops). It was little details like this that made me realise I needed to check absolutely everything.  Going back through the generations, there have been several changes and developments I've discovered:

- Several branches of the tree have been chopped as they were found to be either totally wrong or the evidence was not strong enough to justify the link

- Several new branches have been added after new evidence was uncovered proving new connections or verifying previous theories as correct (I've broken four brick walls I previously considered to be solid)

- Found so many facts I had initially missed or that were perhaps not available or transcribed when I originally did the research. For example deaths/burials, subsequent marriages for widowed ancestors, military/mariners records etc.

- So many notes and comments in original records that I viewed for the first time that weren't included in the transcription I had initially relied upon (for example a fathers occupation in a baptism, which can then be used to prove a death record to be the right one etc).

I am not finished at all, but overall this has been one of the most worthwhile exercises I've ever done when researching my ancestry. Highly recommend!

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The Common Room / Re: How can people trace British Genealogy futher than 1500s?
« on: Thursday 15 June 23 17:26 BST (UK)  »
Furthest record back I've manage to establish with confidence is a marriage between two ancestors that took place on 5 February 1555 in a village in Devon.

It completely depends on location and status as to how far back you can get. A good location can get you back to the 16th century even without any noble blood, any further back than that you pretty much need some nobility.

But I agree with Biggles, after a certain distance back, it can start to feel like you're essentially just researching history rather than ancestry. I don't have a gateway ancestor and sometimes I wish I did, whereas other times I am kind of glad I don't. I know for a fact I'd get addicted to tracing everyone and that would just dominate my life  ;D

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The Common Room / Starting from scratch
« on: Sunday 19 February 23 21:39 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

I started researching my family tree in 2008 at the age of 15. As you can expect I did all the usual stupid things and by 2014 I realised that my tree was so full of errors and mistakes and guesses that cleaning it up would be laborious and more work than fun. So I made the decision to start from scratch and start a new file (at this point I was 21).

Now I am almost 30, and I am looking at my tree (22k individuals) with a similar feeling to that which I had in 2014. I have noticed various errors and mistakes that I made in my early 20's and before I refined my research abilities to the level they are at today. There are facts which I have recorded that I have no idea where I got them from and I'm frustrated with myself for not making the effort to record that information. It's not horrendous, but I just feel like if I started today I could build a cleaner and more well referenced tree than the one I started nine years ago.

Yes, I'm tempted to start from scratch again.

Just wondered whether anyone else has ever done similar, and regretted it? Or perhaps did so and realised it was a good decision? I am 50/50 whether to start again, or put the work in and go person by person, branch by branch, and do a full scale clean up.


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The Common Room / Re: GRO digital images £2.50
« on: Monday 02 January 23 22:00 GMT (UK)  »
I do hope they expand it to everyone, it's such a good idea.

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The Common Room / Re: GRO site down?
« on: Saturday 24 September 22 20:06 BST (UK)  »
I noticed they had added 2021 to the Index but when you selected to order any certificates for that year the site would crash. So I imagine they are working on that issue

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The Common Room / Re: GRO site down?
« on: Saturday 24 September 22 19:55 BST (UK)  »
I think the site said it would be down for the weekend when I was on a few days ago

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The Common Room / Re: GRO website - Deaths from 1984 to 2019
« on: Monday 05 September 22 22:04 BST (UK)  »
2021 now available from the GRO website (for Births and Deaths)

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