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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Irish marriage parish record
« on: Thursday 02 May 24 21:49 BST (UK) »
Looks good to me!
McCristall is often spelt McCrystal and vice versa
McCristall is often spelt McCrystal and vice versa
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Mothers maiden name
« on: Thursday 02 May 24 21:45 BST (UK) »
Is the name 'Irans' or 'Irons'?
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Terrence Guthrie/Gutry/Guthar/Guttery born 1840 Tipperary....but Where????
« on: Saturday 13 April 24 22:58 BST (UK) »
Have you investigated Patrick Guttery? ie to find out when he came and his forebears?
it was common in those days for other family members or village families to sponsor other members.
Sometimes also looking at early time census records from the communities that people went to can provide information as many families/villages had chain migration going on.
Is Bridget Fahy related to Catherine Fahy?
it was common in those days for other family members or village families to sponsor other members.
Sometimes also looking at early time census records from the communities that people went to can provide information as many families/villages had chain migration going on.
Is Bridget Fahy related to Catherine Fahy?
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Terrence Guthrie/Gutry/Guthar/Guttery born 1840 Tipperary....but Where????
« on: Saturday 13 April 24 07:09 BST (UK) »
I'm just wondering where the record is involving Terence Guthrie as coming from Tipperary? Is it on the shipping list? or family lore?
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Terrence Guthrie/Gutry/Guthar/Guttery born 1840 Tipperary....but Where????
« on: Saturday 13 April 24 07:03 BST (UK) »
That is an Ancestry link and not viewable for those without an Ancestry sub.
I am not sure why you are saying the parents would be Terence William Guthrie and Bridget. If the Australian family followed the Irish naming patterns the first son would be named for the husband's father and if the first son is James wouldn't that mean the father of Terence was James?
I am not sure why you are saying the parents would be Terence William Guthrie and Bridget. If the Australian family followed the Irish naming patterns the first son would be named for the husband's father and if the first son is James wouldn't that mean the father of Terence was James?
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Terrence Guthrie/Gutry/Guthar/Guttery born 1840 Tipperary....but Where????
« on: Saturday 13 April 24 00:38 BST (UK) »
I am about to go out but I will leave you with 'hours of fun' going through the parish registers for Ardfinnan church
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1089
What was Terrence Guthrie's occupation pl?
https://www.abgnfparish.ie/
Parish churches incl Ardfinnan
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1089
What was Terrence Guthrie's occupation pl?
https://www.abgnfparish.ie/
Parish churches incl Ardfinnan
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Terrence Guthrie/Gutry/Guthar/Guttery born 1840 Tipperary....but Where????
« on: Friday 12 April 24 23:59 BST (UK) »
Can you pl provide a link to the passenger list.
I can see two sailings for this clipper ship in 1861 on one listing (March & December), and on another just one listing (March 1861) showing that the ship seems to have been quarantined at Melbourne because of small pox on board.
Where did the passenger leave from and where did he land in Aus please?
Link about this clipper ship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_McKay_(clipper)
John Grenham has useful info about the name Guthrie and variations in ireland
https://www.johngrenham.com/findasurname.php?surname=guthrie
The three names from Tipperary came from Ardfinnan
https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish.php?county=Tipperary&surname=guthrie
These three names are on Griffiths 1852 (Tipperary south riding) are Thomas, William and Richard
From Ardfinnan
When you look at the 1901 census the oldest Guthrie there is only 45 so there may have been emigration.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Tullaghmelan/Ardfinnan____Pt__of_Spitalland_/1707563/
The census also throws up another couple of localities that might be useful and that is Tullaghmelan
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/tullaghmelan1/
and another
Spitalland
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/clanwilliam/tipperary/spitalland/
Ardfinnan
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/ardfinnan1/
I can see two sailings for this clipper ship in 1861 on one listing (March & December), and on another just one listing (March 1861) showing that the ship seems to have been quarantined at Melbourne because of small pox on board.
Where did the passenger leave from and where did he land in Aus please?
Link about this clipper ship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_McKay_(clipper)
John Grenham has useful info about the name Guthrie and variations in ireland
https://www.johngrenham.com/findasurname.php?surname=guthrie
The three names from Tipperary came from Ardfinnan
https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish.php?county=Tipperary&surname=guthrie
These three names are on Griffiths 1852 (Tipperary south riding) are Thomas, William and Richard
From Ardfinnan
When you look at the 1901 census the oldest Guthrie there is only 45 so there may have been emigration.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Tullaghmelan/Ardfinnan____Pt__of_Spitalland_/1707563/
The census also throws up another couple of localities that might be useful and that is Tullaghmelan
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/tullaghmelan1/
and another
Spitalland
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/clanwilliam/tipperary/spitalland/
Ardfinnan
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/ardfinnan1/
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Terrence Guthrie/Gutry/Guthar/Guttery born 1840 Tipperary....but Where????
« on: Friday 12 April 24 23:46 BST (UK) »
Many Irish used a naming pattern for their children
Knowing the names and birth order of the children can be useful to pin point ancestors esp mother/father.
A traditional naming pattern was often used by Irish parents until the later 19th century:
First son usually named for the father's father
Second son usually named for the mother's father
Third son usually named for the father
Fourth son usually named for the father's eldest brother
Fifth son usually named for the mother's eldest brother
First daughter usually named for the mother's mother
Second daughter usually named for the father's mother
Third daughter usually named for the mother
Fourth daughter usually named for the mother's eldest sister
Fifth daughter usually named for the father's eldest sister.
It would be useful to have the names of the children of this couple in birth order.
Knowing the names and birth order of the children can be useful to pin point ancestors esp mother/father.
A traditional naming pattern was often used by Irish parents until the later 19th century:
First son usually named for the father's father
Second son usually named for the mother's father
Third son usually named for the father
Fourth son usually named for the father's eldest brother
Fifth son usually named for the mother's eldest brother
First daughter usually named for the mother's mother
Second daughter usually named for the father's mother
Third daughter usually named for the mother
Fourth daughter usually named for the mother's eldest sister
Fifth daughter usually named for the father's eldest sister.
It would be useful to have the names of the children of this couple in birth order.
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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: McKERNON/ McKERNAN
« on: Monday 08 April 24 23:36 BST (UK) »
On Irish Genealogy there is a 96 year old Felix dying in 1891 so born ca 1795.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06075/4732548.pdf
Looks like it was registered by Anne Mckernan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06075/4732548.pdf
Looks like it was registered by Anne Mckernan