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Many thanks Loucifer. I am sending you a PM & hope we can be in contact if I send YOU my e-mail address

Thank you Milliepede,I do have those details but strangely cannot find any birth registrations for any of the children of Frank & Mary.Frank jun. was my grandfather & he enlisted in the military at a young age & served in all the wars so he must have had to produce a birth cert. In the 1911 census Annie gives her birthplace as Westbourne ,Sussex which I think corresponds to Upper Marden,her brother`s birthplace.Hermitage could be either Sussex or Hants,I think.I appreciate that often different place names were given,perhaps that is why I can`t find the birth certs.Walter was called Walter by the family but I think he MIGHT have been Thomas Walter .

Jooles  has supplied me with details of Mary Treadwell which I have followed & now I think I truly was going up a blind alley with this name.The husband Frank of THIS Mary was born a few years before the Frank Symonds I am related to & his birthplace is given as different too.Many thanks for all your comments,but it`s back to the drawing board for me.Yes indeed I have tried previously Maureen with another (Mary) name I was given.I shall now do as Carol suggests,& send for one of the children`s birth certificates.

Wow this is very interesting.My Symonds family is quite difficult to unravel at times as there were so many who gave their offspring the same names,& then sometimes used their 2nd.name.i.e.Frank`s younger brother was baptised as Thomas Walter but called Walter.I was actually sent from Hawaii a copy of our family tree that had been done by a researcher for an American relative so I know that this Frank is of my direct line.He appears in the 1871 census,now 16years old.I was in the records office in Sussex a few years ago as I couldn`t trace the next census & was told that some records for 1881 are not available as they were taken by the Mormons.By the 1891 census Frank was married to a Mary ?? & had relocated to Hants(Waterlooville).For sometime I have searched for their marriage certificate & recently was given the name Mary Treadwell & the date etc. as most probably correct.The Symonds,Trodd & Dedman families all came originally from Sussex  being intermarried then strangely they mostly moved en masse to Hampshire(although there are still Trodds in Sussex from the original group) & for a bit continued to intermarry & be involved together in businesses.Maureen- I am pretty sure that is not the same Mary who married George Dedman.I followed them onwards & in a later census it shows them married for X years  which doesn`t fit even supposing George was a 2nd husband.I will certainly report what  is on this marriage certificate as I may yet again be going up another blind alley.Please bear with me as I live abroad & it may take a bit longer than usual to arrive.Wozzle -that 1901 census is correct.My grandfather(another)Frank did not appear with his family as he had enlisted in the Army.