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Westmorland / Re: John Harrison
« on: Tuesday 02 August 22 01:20 BST (UK)  »
Dismiss Anthony Harrison as not the one apparently.  And also Agnes Dodd who has been taken.
Sorry for confusion.
  I did find that an Agnes Carradus married John Harrison in 1815/6.  They had Agnes then Elizabeth  who married Thomas Lee in 1841, and James in 1821.  Agnes died 2 months after having James.  John married again in 1828 Ann Nelson.  They had a daughter Margaret who went on to marry into Lee family, a relation to Thomas Lee.
Too many John Harrisons to find his parents.

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Inverness / Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« on: Sunday 31 July 22 08:38 BST (UK)  »
This is my epilogue for Henry who has told a few porkies and may not want to be found. Maybe he wants to be a Gordon, naming his son Gordon Hector, and mother Ann Gordon.  I have searched many Ann Gordons - found 2 marriages to McKenzie, but no success, then I decided to search Jean Ann McKenzie who he said was his sister at New Street Culsalmond by Huntly.  No New Street but a New Road in Huntly so a wild goose chase.

I then looked for a William McKenzie near Huntly and found Wm McKenzie of Cairnie by Huntly born 1837 on 10 May (Henry’s birth date by coincidence) who married Margaret Hay in 1870.  They had a Jane (Jean) 1871, Mary 1874, Elizabeth 1881 and no Henry, but suspicious because looking into it I found that his wife is a cousin to Margaret Hay who married William Gordon born 1811 who is brother to Ann Gordon of CIA.  The Hay girls fathers James and John going to John Gordon and Jean Bain.
I have been looking for the birth dates of children of Wm Gordon of Drumgrain, Inveravon but cannot find the three Christina m Robertson, John and William in 1851 Census.
What I did find was an Alexander born 1851, but then a strange one Wm Ann McKenzie Gordon born 1853 a daughter.  As a long shot maybe she had Henry in 1869.  It seemed to be their practice not to register names.  Wm lived with his sister Elspet until 1899.
I may get into the army papers one day, but doubt if they will tell me more.  I think he lied re birthdate but came back to his real one.

I believe that someone in this family had Henry, but I will never know.  Family like to keep in touch, especially the Hay cousins, and I am sure Henry rode his horse visiting these families.  It is what I want to believe anyway.  He left on his own to start a new life, so many worries and untruths which is sad.

I really appreciate the patience and help along the way, but if no definite certificates it is impossible. Diane

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Inverness / Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« on: Thursday 21 July 22 06:02 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Monica for info.  Did John McKenzie born 1842 marry?  I thought he had moved to England. It is so far fetched, but whilst looking for Henry’s sister Jean (Jane) of near Huntly I found a Wm 1837 of Boharm married in 1870 another Marg Hay born 1848 and they had Jane in Huntly in 1871, Mary 1874 and Elizabeth 1881 - no Henry, and I can find no marriages for Jane and Mary, but Elizabeth m Wm McIntosh.  Jane lived at New Road Culsalmond near Huntly in 1887.   The coincidence of Boharm and also Ann’s brother Wm Gordon born 1811 Married a Margaret Hay. Probably means nothing!!
Is it possible to open Chelsea Pensioners Record Box 3379 Ref 973379136 or have you already done that to find Jean Ann McKenzie.  Cheers. Di

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Inverness / Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« on: Wednesday 20 July 22 11:19 BST (UK)  »
I meant Inveron not Inverness.

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Inverness / Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« on: Wednesday 20 July 22 11:18 BST (UK)  »
I thought Wm born 1791 parents Wm and Marg Sutherland married 1772 youngest of 8 children so I was wrong. Who were Ann’s children in Birmingham?  Her brother also a John McKenzie, so I got confused living also in UK.
So many Gordons around Inverness, and they married a lot of McKenzies.
My daughter Jane is flying in from Victoria on Friday after not having been for 3 years for my son Michael’s 50th birthday, so I must get organised.  All the best. Diane. 🎂

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Inverness / Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« on: Wednesday 20 July 22 08:06 BST (UK)  »
When I looked up Sir John Gordon initially the manager of Geni said any John Gordon probably descended from Aboyne.  Sounds like a nice place. I have learned so much of your geography on this trip and I can imagine my grandfather at the Highland Games tossing a caber as he was an imposing figure of 6ft in his kilt. His wife Charlotte from England only 5ft. My cousin now thinks Mary was a girlfriend left behind.
Scottish history is so complicated and it compels one to read more.  I have traced my Harrisons from Lakes District to the Presidents of USA, and my Howell family to Kings of Wales, Cornish blacksmiths into Iron Foundries.
You are the only rootschat member who has helped me so much and you deserve a medal.
Henry didn’t get along with his father and he left never to return. He joined the Caledonian Society in Fremantle our Port, but no records kept. 
I will keep searching for Jean Ann McKenzie difficult with no BC or parents, but probably still single in 1887.
Also Ann McKenzie born 1840 living with her mother aged 50, says married, but who did she marry?
I think I am now done. You will now have more time to read your book.
Diane ☕️

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Inverness / Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« on: Tuesday 19 July 22 09:40 BST (UK)  »
When I first searched for Ann Gordon I found CIA.  My cousin who is much older than myself and lives far away thought she remembered the name Advie at the time.  She lived with my grandparents.
My grandfather died 1949 aged 80 at graveyard and also aged 29 on MC in 1898, however Jan 1890 says he is 23 8months making it 1866.
Still searching for marriages for Helen 1839, Ann 1840 (surprised you say John McKenzie when?), John 1842 is in Birmingham, and Elspet McKenzie 1844.  Who did she marry?
Thank you for sending me all the info on Alexander and brother and sister,  so interesting, however confused as Elspat Gordon still alive, Anne’s sister, so another Elspat he married 1st. I have quite a few William McKenzies in CIA since looking - far too many really to ascertain anything concrete.
I did find a marriage of a William and Mary Fraser in 1869 in Inverness but wondered if it was 1824 son.
Why you wonder!  I contacted my cousin hoping that she would remember more, as it is astounding how little she knows or remembers, but she said that she can remember him sometimes mentioning a Mary a sister or someone he knew.  That really through me off balance.  I didn’t want to hear that.
He talked a lot of the Gordons so definitely a connection of two families, but that may be it.  Many thanks for everything.  Diane.
Hope you are not too hot in Scotland.  London is suffering.  We are used to those temperatures in summer, and I am a keen swimmer and have been all my life.  My mother Jessie was named after her mother who was one of the first lady lifesavers in Western Australia.  Trivia.  🙋‍♀️


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Inverness / Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« on: Monday 18 July 22 11:46 BST (UK)  »
I have been searching again for a Jean (Jane) Ann McKenzie sister to Henry with a Gordon connection, bit too many to guess.  Have also looked at William McKenzie and Ann Gordons born 1830/40s to be parents.
I will always believe there was something hidden about their births.  Eg Who married William born 1824 1st marriage?  He would have been in 40s.  Who did Ann McKenzie born 1840 marry and her other sisters? 
I will keep at it as I still believe there is no other family to examine.  Somewhere there is an army Gordon who influenced him, after seeing reference from Gordon of Khartoum.
I did find the christening of Christian at Nether Kirdelberg, Inveravon for James and Christina Collie in 1770.
Also a James born 1765 to Alexander in Aberlour - not sure of that one. I really want a Major General. Ha!
Thanks again.  I seem to have wasted your weekend.
Diane.👏🙂

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Inverness / Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« on: Sunday 17 July 22 04:45 BST (UK)  »
Goodbye to Glenmuick and thank you for time spent.  Ballater looks like a nice place for the Queen to visit.  I was excited to have you find any direct relation to Henry in Jean Ann living in Huntly of all places - very Gordon territory. Very near the castle.
Did Jean born 1805 (Anne’s sister 1808) daughter of John Gordon marry a McKenzie. Maybe an aunt. I cannot find her BC either.  William had 3 brothers George 1775, Alex 1779 and James 1784. 
I have found that William 1791 had parents Wm 1751 and Marg nee Sutherland and can go back to 4th Earl of Seaforth and beyond. (Family Search).  I would now like to claim them.
I have come this far so now want John Gordons parents.  Married at Knockando to Christina Collie, and parents of Ann.  We have a town near our Perth Western Australia named Collie after one of her relations who surveyed our coast years ago.
Henry and Charlotte had children Gordon Hector, Keith Lindsay, Stuart Henry, Jessie Heather my mother and Ronald. Says William a farmer and mother Ann nee Gordon bother dec’d in 1798 on MC.
I will now get ready to watch the golf at St Andrews.  I visited there many years ago.  I loved my quick trip to Scotland and thought constantly of Grandad who was so sentimental about Scotland.
I am surprised about him lying about his age, but maybe he was driven to lie, and get away to army life.  His Gordon relatives were all in army apparently.  I may look into that side of family now.
Thank you again.
Diane nee Roberts.  My family came from Cornwall in 1853 and built up an iron works in Bendigo Victoria, Australia.

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