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Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« Reply #36 on: Tuesday 19 July 22 12:13 BST (UK) »
Elsie McKenzie married William Munro in Cromdale in 1871. View the marriage certificate to make sure it's the right Elsie/Elspet.

They had two children
William Alexander John Munro, born 12 June 1873
John, born 5 November 1874

In 1881, in Tenement no 13, north side, Cromdale (that will be in Grantown - check the original to be sure) are
William Munro, head, 37, mason
Elsie Munro, wife, 36
William Alexr Munro, son, 7
John Munro, son, 6
all born in Cromdale
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Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 08:06 BST (UK) »
When I looked up Sir John Gordon initially the manager of Geni said any John Gordon probably descended from Aboyne.  Sounds like a nice place. I have learned so much of your geography on this trip and I can imagine my grandfather at the Highland Games tossing a caber as he was an imposing figure of 6ft in his kilt. His wife Charlotte from England only 5ft. My cousin now thinks Mary was a girlfriend left behind.
Scottish history is so complicated and it compels one to read more.  I have traced my Harrisons from Lakes District to the Presidents of USA, and my Howell family to Kings of Wales, Cornish blacksmiths into Iron Foundries.
You are the only rootschat member who has helped me so much and you deserve a medal.
Henry didn’t get along with his father and he left never to return. He joined the Caledonian Society in Fremantle our Port, but no records kept. 
I will keep searching for Jean Ann McKenzie difficult with no BC or parents, but probably still single in 1887.
Also Ann McKenzie born 1840 living with her mother aged 50, says married, but who did she marry?
I think I am now done. You will now have more time to read your book.
Diane ☕️

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Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 08:49 BST (UK) »
Also Ann McKenzie born 1840 living with her mother aged 50, says married, but who did she marry?
I have already suggested (twice) that she married John McKenzie.

Get a copy of their marriage certificate to check. They were married in Birmingham, in 1867, the September quarter, Volume 6d, Page 200 is the reference you need.
Order it from https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp#Results

There is a listing at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2VT-W24 saying that the marriage took place on 5 September 1867 in St Stephen, Birmingham.
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Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 09:23 BST (UK) »
I am still searching for father of William born about 1789/90 at Boharm.
William died in 1856. According to his death certificate, his parents were William Mackenzie and Helen Gordon.
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Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 11:18 BST (UK) »
I thought Wm born 1791 parents Wm and Marg Sutherland married 1772 youngest of 8 children so I was wrong. Who were Ann’s children in Birmingham?  Her brother also a John McKenzie, so I got confused living also in UK.
So many Gordons around Inverness, and they married a lot of McKenzies.
My daughter Jane is flying in from Victoria on Friday after not having been for 3 years for my son Michael’s 50th birthday, so I must get organised.  All the best. Diane. 🎂

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Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 11:19 BST (UK) »
I meant Inveron not Inverness.

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Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 16:49 BST (UK) »
I thought Wm born 1791 parents Wm and Marg Sutherland married 1772 youngest of 8 children so I was wrong.
Not unless the death certificate is wrong.

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Who were Ann’s children in Birmingham?  Her brother also a John McKenzie, so I got confused living also in UK.
William John b 1868 and Alexander Bruce b 1869. See Reply #13 above.

They are in the 1871 census in Walsall (not Birmingham, though it's nearby) with their parents, both of whom are aged 30 (Ann's brother John would have been 28) and in the 1881 census with their grandmother in CIA. 
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Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 19:54 BST (UK) »
Just supporting docs for Forfarian's details re the marriage of John and Ann McKenzie in Birminham.

There is a parish marriage entry for St Stephen's Church on 5 Sep 1867 for them I think.

John McKenzie, age 25, a draper. Son of John McKenzie, farmer
Ann McKenzie, age 25, daughter of William John McKenzie, farmer

Address for both is given as Wheeler Street. Witnesses to marriage a David Tennant and a Mary Ann David.

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Re: Henry William McKenzie born 1869
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 21 July 22 06:02 BST (UK) »
Thank you Monica for info.  Did John McKenzie born 1842 marry?  I thought he had moved to England. It is so far fetched, but whilst looking for Henry’s sister Jean (Jane) of near Huntly I found a Wm 1837 of Boharm married in 1870 another Marg Hay born 1848 and they had Jane in Huntly in 1871, Mary 1874 and Elizabeth 1881 - no Henry, and I can find no marriages for Jane and Mary, but Elizabeth m Wm McIntosh.  Jane lived at New Road Culsalmond near Huntly in 1887.   The coincidence of Boharm and also Ann’s brother Wm Gordon born 1811 Married a Margaret Hay. Probably means nothing!!
Is it possible to open Chelsea Pensioners Record Box 3379 Ref 973379136 or have you already done that to find Jean Ann McKenzie.  Cheers. Di