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Tony, how very very sad     .

My condolences to you and his family at this time.

God bless
Lyn x

Hi 

Spent the morning checking various references and trying to verify the different sources and yes Monica i think you're hunch is definitely a go-er!

I've gathered a few more bits of info which would seem to confirm the Welsh family.

On Charles Henry's death cert 01.07.1917 Edinburgh, we have :-

Father George Browne  Mechanical Engineer
Mother Mary Browne (Maiden surname not given )  (deceased)
So we know Mary was around in 1901 and again in 1903 at Charles' wedding but gone by 1917. I have found a death:-

Mary Browne  born abt. 1857 died Q3 Sep 1908 age 51 Abergavenny.

George was still alive in 1917 and it ocurred to me that my uncle's middle name is George and I have a vague recollection of my Gran telling me that he was named after someone who was dying at the time he was born. Can't remember who she said though as I was very young at the time! So took a shot at that and lo and behold:-

George Browne age 78 died Q1 1935 Hereford. (He would be my uncle's great grandfather) Hmm.. I wonder; have emailed him to see if he knows who he was named after! Although the family lived in Abergavenny George as we know was born around the Hereford area. Perhaps after Mary's death he moved back to be closer to family or something??

Also to confirm Charles Henry' s whereabouts in 1891, I have traced the marriage of the aunt

Elizabeth Acteson (Atkinson?) to Frederick Powell Pontypool Q3 1870. That ties that end up!

It occurred to me that the details quoted for the Charles Henry in 1901 census  at Harrogate could maybe have been misquoted ?? Perhaps he is our man. Not sure on that, but it does seem a strange coincidence that Eliza Emily Holmes in the same small town of Harrogate marries someone of the same name 2 years later!

Do you think any certs may be of any value?  I'm fairly sure on all this now just a slight doubt with being unable to trace another Charles Henry in 1901.

You have been a real star Monica with all your hunting. Thanks so much

Lyn   

Thank you both for your very quick replies!

Yes Eliza was born in Sculcoates, Hull and I have been able to trace her family back quite a long way back. Charles has proved to be less straighforward! The birth entry in England looks very promising and I'll follow that up.

Charles' occupation was something like "Shoe Merchant/ Manager" (bit difficult to read!). George was a Mechanical Engineer.

Thanks 

Hi Arranroots

I know I look like I'm going about things the wrong way  but the problem has arisen because I've already got the full picture going backwards so now I'm trying to find out what became of her using what I thought was the right info.

Poor Eliza has been a sorry tale from the start. The father of her daughter Gertrude was supposed to be "Maurice Lilley" Deceased according to Gertrude's marriage cert. However Eliza's maiden name was Lilley and I haven't been able to trace a Maurice Lilley anywhere, born or died!

As for James Henry Clarke, born Liverpool about 1850, I'm not sure which James it is. One or two fit the bill but... Likewise with the death, as I'm not sure where they were living at the time of death I  don't know which ones might be the right ones!

Do you suppose the marriage certificate for James and Eliza might unearth more clues?

I was sort of looking for a possible remarriage around the Bradford area as that was where Eliza was living in 1891 hence the reason I picked up on the Todmorden one. Bit of a shot in the dark I know! So for example using this marriage I tried cross checking against the 1901 census; there are the 2 females Eliza Jane and a Lilly and 2 males William Sutcliffe and Harry Campbell. I can't tie up either of these two guys with either female. In fact I'm having no luck finding anyone!

What do you suggest I try next? Any help very much appreciated!
Thanks
Lyn 

PS I did eventually find the Frith family! Eliza Jane was previously a Mitchell, born in Scarborough around the right time but obviously not the right one, just as you said!
 

Hi!

Just to follow up on this thread.

I have received a lot of information from Sheffield Archuves about Eliza, including the date of first and latest admission, reason for admission, state of health, previous occupation and place of residence. They also provided date of death with evidence of post mortem and a copy of the entry in the Wadsley Church burial index.

I was amazed at what they found but unfortunately it served only to prove that this wasn't in fact my Eliza at all! And I was so sure it was    Sheffield Archives were brilliant.

Thanks to you all for your help. My hunt continues!!

Lyn

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