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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: Who did my Lucy Hyde marry?
« on: Wednesday 14 April 10 16:44 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much Jay for this information.
I like the Henry Lee marriage in 1799 because I know John Stafford.  He too was a weaver and indeed in the 1870's was a Manager of Slack Mills in Hyde. He was from Bredbury and was the father of my husband's gr. grandmother.

I was given the Joel Gee marriage to Lucy by a co-researcher of my Hyde family so I have no source of my own.  He has entered it on his family tree though I differ.
As that particular marriage now occurred at Cheadle I am much less happy as several of that generation of my Hyde family DID marry at Cheadle although they mostly came from Woodley and Haughton Green.
I want her to be married to Henry Lee not Joel Gee!!

Sadly, Gallum, I am unable to open the link as I cannot use Flash Player on my old iMac.

Warm thanks to you both.
Sue

Are there any more details that are mentioned?

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: Who did my Lucy Hyde marry?
« on: Sunday 11 April 10 09:28 BST (UK)  »
Hi Allan,

Thank you for looking.  Yes I know that they are both on familysearch and of course they are incomplete as such.  I think the best thing for me to do now is to contact Stockport Heritage Library and ask for photocopies.
Thanks again for your help.
Sue.

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: Who did my Lucy Hyde marry?
« on: Wednesday 07 April 10 16:52 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Carole for replying; the census is interesting but not quite what I need. 
It is really the two marriage entries that I am looking for.

Thank you Jay for your kind offer.  I very much look forward to seeing what you can find in the registers.  Good luck.
Sue.

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Who did my Lucy Hyde marry?
« on: Tuesday 06 April 10 17:11 BST (UK)  »
Hello, I would be very grateful for some help please. I have a problem trying to identify the spouse of my LUCY HYDE and would like to ask some kind person to check two marriage entries for any clues about the occupation of the groom and names of the witnesses.
She had a brother Nathan Hyde who had married ELIZABETH LEE 1 Jan 1798.

1. Lucy Hyde married HENRY LEE at Stockport St. Mary on 21 May 1799
2. Lucy Hyde married JOEL GEE at Hyde Gee Cross on 29 May 1803.

Thank you.
SUE. ???

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Durham / Re: Lost toddler in Darlington
« on: Wednesday 10 March 10 11:35 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Colin.
Thank you so very much indeed for the burial results.  I really am extremely grateful for all your help which has filled in some important gaps for me now.
That is most interesting that Martha was buried in the Dissenters Ground.
My goodness, she really was an independent soul but you are right, it is very unhelpful as far as Harry is concerned, in fact, the briefest possible mention about poor Martha is no compliment to her either!
Could I please ask if you know the precise whereabouts in Darlington of the Dissenters Ground?  Does it still exist or is it recognised in any way today?

I personally haven't seen John's proven will but I have been told by a descendant of his that the Estate Duty entry names his son-in-law as his sole executor. He left something around £1000 which was divided between three of his children; Elizabeth, Edward and Eliza.  There is no Harry at all, neither Pilkington nor Hick.
So that avenue has been cut off.

To answer teaurn's question:
No, I have nothing at all about Harry except that 1871 census.  Martha had married John in Dec. 1867 and died in 1872.  All that I have is a photograph of Martha with her mother who had travelled from Manchester to be with her, I assume, for her marriage.
Their photograph was taken at the famous film studio of Mr. William Mcleish of 71 North Gate. Sadly minus John.

There is no evidence of a Harry ever being born to her sister Emma in Bolton though they is no shortage of Herbert/Harry Hick names in Lancashire, and he does not appear on Emma's 1881 census. Emma died the following year in May 1882.

So we still have a "Lost Toddler in Darlington"

Sue.   :(

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Durham / Re: Lost toddler in Darlington
« on: Saturday 06 March 10 18:56 GMT (UK)  »
Firstly my profuse apologies to 'teaurn'.  I am afraid that I did not notice the different correspondent.  I was in such a hurry to read the messages that I just did not look.  :o

Thank you Colin for correcting me and thank you for the look-ups to come.
Have a good weekend.

Sue.   :D

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Durham / Re: Lost toddler in Darlington
« on: Saturday 06 March 10 10:14 GMT (UK)  »
Good morning Colin, yes I agree with you about being elastic with birth place, dates and especially given ages.  I have had plenty of all those. Basically, they simply did not know how old they were and they certainly couldn't remember where they were born - who does!

Five of John Pilkington's children by his first wife Elizabeth were baptized at St. Cuthbert's:
Jane Ann 19 Jul 1846
Elizabeth 21 Jan 1849
Eliza Jane 12 Nov 1854
Mary 11 Jun 1858
Jane 31 Mar 1865 and was the cause of her mother's death.

Sarah 7 Sep 1852 was bap at Holy Trinity

Going back briefly to the Hick names, I am more influenced by the Hick people in York and the pattern of first names. Yorkshire BMD and family search are very useful - it seems as though Yorkshire was inhabited only by the Hick surname!
Herbert is a firm candidate for this family.

So we "H'arry On"
Sue.

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Durham / Re: Lost toddler in Darlington
« on: Friday 05 March 10 10:33 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Colin,  thank you for all that hunting and like me, none of the ends tie up.

Firstly, a few dates:
Martha, Harry's mum, died 25th Oct. 1872 at Victoria Place.
John Pilkington Watchmaker, died 28 March 1882 at Blackwell Gate, Darlington.
Also in 1872, John's daughter Eliza Jane married Francis Martin at Victoria Place.
Francis Martin was an architect and is noted for having designed the tall Clock tower in Darlington.
Pity about Holy Trinity- does the Library have the record on film or fiche?

Burials:  it looks as though the newspapers might be the only remaining source.

I really would be extremely grateful if you could manage to take a look sometime when you next get to the Library.

Now to the Harrys.

Your last message puzzles me a little: " The two Harry Hick that are on the 1871 census are still with same family in 1881"  Where have you found Harry Hick in 1871?   Are they also in Darlington?  Could you pl. give me the reference.
I thought that he appeared for the first time in 1881 as John's nephew.

This is a huge mystery for me.  I agree that he could easily have changed his name but his father would not then have put him down as a nephew, surely?
Also, if he was born in Darlington, then his birthplace would not be Leeds.

Now, too really complicate this issue there is more information which I have not mentioned because it is all too complicated.
Martha had a sister Emma living in Great Bolton in 1871.  She had recently separated from her husband and she was working in the household of a Publican called James Allen of the Lord Collingwood, Deansgate by whom she had a daughter in Dec. 1874.

Way back in 1855 Emma had married William Baynes HICK in Manchester Catherdal. They had four known children.  It is entirely possible that they had a son Harry born about the same time as Martha's Harry but it would be strange if she had gone to Leeds to have the child there if she was planning to separate.
I believe that William, an engineer, must have had a family connection in Leeds.
On the 1851 census William was working as an Apprentice Engine Fitter for John Hick Machine Maker at 6, Brougham St. in Leeds and was living with the family as a Lodger aged 19.  John Hick b. 1810. had two sons, John F. & George. Perhaps one of these sons later had a son called Harry?
There were many Hick names around Leeds so I wonder whether John Hick may have been a brother or cousin to William's father Joseph in York.
There was a Harry/Herbert E. Hick registered in Dec qtr 1865 in West Leeds.
I have not applied for any birth certificates yet as they all seem a bit confusing.

So there you have my problem - I think that Harry was indeed a nephew which still leaves Martha's Harry un-accounted for.

Perhaps the next clue will be in the local newspaper otherwise it is back to the drawing board!   

Sue.    ???

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Durham / Re: Lost toddler in Darlington
« on: Thursday 04 March 10 11:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Colin, thank you for your kind message and offer to look up Trinity Church.
I am afraid that I know nothing about the baptisms of the other children but I do know that John Pilkington married Elizabeth Cummings at St. Cuthbert's on 27 Oct 1844.
Their children, all born in Darlington, were:
Jane Ann b. 1846
Elizabeth b. 1849
Edward b. 1851
Eliza Jane b. 1854
Henry b. 1858
Jane b. 1865 and she was the cause of her mother Elizabeth's death in 1865.

I do not know whether John Pilkington was Non-Conformist but Martha Hyde and her family were certainly from a Non-conformist background.

John Pilkington was a very successful watchmaker and was well thought of in the town. They lived in Victoria Place which had only about eleven houses in it at the time and was considered to be a desirable area.  The houses were larger than average and with nice gardens.  They were, presumably, quite well to do.

I look forward to hearing from you in due course - good luck.  :)

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