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Morning Jon,

Sorry about the abrupt ending of my post last night; it was interupted by an incoming Skype call from my sister in Tasmania which lasted quite a while.

If you want to know more about infamous Alfred Cullmer here are the links:

1. Trial at the old Bailey 10 June 1861: abduction of 15 year old Emily Blackshaw without consent of her father (Emily was, after all, her father's property therefore it was akin to a theft!).

2. Although Alfred had died on 23 July 1888, the police & insurance companies had by 1890 eventually joined up the dots and arrested Alfred Jnr and the rest of the gang...except for Ellen Elizabeth Wheeler, Alfred's partner & mother of his 3 sons, who escaped up the gangplank of a ship down in the docks and was never seen or heard of again.
Appearances by the gang members, including Ellen Elizabeth's aged mother, initially before magistrates, but ultimately at the Old Bailey in February & March 1891, were covered daily in the world's press (via the newfangled undersea cable) in which the late Alfred was declared "The Fire King of London" and Ellen Elizabeth the "Fire Queen".

Ok, back to Mary, Alfred's lawful widow & relict, and her children. Surprisingly Alfred was a witness at the marriage of his daughter Rosina to Isaac William Osborn at St Leonard Shoreditch on 15 November 1879 (Q4 1879, Shoreditch, Vol 1c, Page327). Mary was recorded as being present at Alfred's death from tuberculosis in Hoxton on 23 July 1888 (Q3 1888, Shoreditch, Vol 1c, page 51). Mary's son Alfred Jnr married Eleanor Sampson, again in Shoreditch, and was last found in Melbourne, Australia in 1893. Mary died in Islington a short distance from her daughter Rosina, on 28 december 1916. (Q4 1916, Islington, Vol 1b, page 422).

Rosie / Jon

I have now checked the baptism at Brighton on 29 July of a Mary Hale,with FreeREG and the answer agrees with that of FindMyPast as follows:

Father: Forename William; Surname Hale
Mother: Forename Mary. Surname - not given

So it appears that there were 2 Mary Hales baptised in Brighton, both having a connection with Boss Gardens / Riding School Lane. The other Mary Hale being with Father Joseph Hale and mother Susan Hale, formerly Williams, as per Birth Certificate.

Jon, going back to the Baptism register that you attached to an earlier post. I took a screen shot and blew it up a bit, I now see your 3rd baptism, that of John William, son of William & Mary Hale. Curate Woodwood was obviously doing a job lot. I also looked back through the register to page 200 and there were no other Hale families recorded, so it was not a common name in Brighton.

Enough, I must hit the sack. My next move,i think, is to look for a marriage in Sussex & London of a Joseph Hale to a Susan Williams, in the years before the Birth Certificate.
 

Now back on seat.

I can trace the life of Mary Cullmer (formally Hale) from her marriage to the infamous Alfred Cullmer, to her death in 1916, but, as far as I can see, there was no conection to the Hale family or to shoemaking. Alfred Cullmer (aka "Old George" to his criminal associates) left the Militia and became a travelling bag maker (at least on the surface, that was his occupation) and Mary became a bag handle maker. Around 1860 it became obvious to Mary that her other half had developed a taste for 15 year old girls, so she exited stage left with her daughter Rosina aged 3 and her son Alfred aged 1 and thereafter lived in lodgings. If you want the full story on Alfred, there was a scavenger hunt run by Toni* in the Common Room a few years ago now - it lasted several years but I assume it has now been closed.

As I said, my aim is to confirm the parentage of Mary Hale so that I can explore her ancestry and to that end I have been looking at Brighton,where I have come across the following:

Baptisms:

Mary Hale 29 July 1838 Brighton, father Williams Hale, mother Mary @ Parish church of St Nicholas
Sarah Hale 29 July 1838 Brighton, father Williams Hale, mother Mary @ Parish Church of St Nicholas

They were not twins. We already have a birth for Mary Hale in Brighton on 5 May 1838
A birth hunt for Sarah in Brighton came up with 'not found'. I have found a birth for a Sarah Hale: 1837 Bethnal Green Vol 2, Page 6 MMN Pritchard. This suggests that the MMN for both should be Pitchard dosent it or am I going mad?

Good evening Frances,

I am a member of the IOMFHS and have been researching my Manx heritage on and off (more off than on it must be said) for several decades. I was originally going to pose this question to Nigel Crowe, the font of all knowledge on this subject, but alas he passed away last year. I have copies of Liber Assed back to 1626 and Liber Vast to 1630, but understanding the content hiding in the scribble is beyond me other than the numerals where the dots show me where the rent is.

To date my research has taken me back to John Kewley Jnr of Ballanard, so you see I'm in striking distance of Gibbon Mac Kewley but can't quite get there. What I have is the following, in reverse order:

Gibbon Mac Kewley of Ballanard in the house of Keys in 1502

John Kewley, "the first recorded Manorial Tenant of Ballanard" in 1507

Mark Mac Kewley and Michael Mac Kewley of Ballanard in 1511

The next definite point is the burial at Old Kirk Braddan of John Kewley Snr on 15 January 1627, leaving his son John Jnr and his mother Ellin nee Corkill - however it is uncertain whether John Jnr was now the land holder and liable to pay the rent to the Lord of Man. Liber Vast records the event thus: "A Jo Kewley, son of Tho's, bur Braddan 15/1". inferring, I think, that John Jnr was the heir to Ballanard. To have inherited land holdings John Kewley Jnr must have been at least 21 years of age ie, born in or before 1606, also to have married and sired a son John Snr must have been born around 1590 or earlier and Thomas, as the father of John Snr would have been born around 1570 or earlier.
However, this doesn't seem to agree with  what you have.
Just to add to the picture, back in 1626 Liber Assed stated that John Kewley Snr also held Glencruchery and Ballamanaugh Quarterlands as well, so John Jnr would heve inherited quite a lot of land.
And there again i may be misinterpreting the meaning of what is being recorded. I am just trying to bridge the gap between Thomas and the Mark & Michael Mac Kewley in 1511 and Gibbon in 1502.

Any advice will be gratefully received.