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Cornwall / Re: Tamar Donnythorne of St Gluvias (poss 1672 - 1740)
« on: Friday 03 November 23 17:34 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Margaret,

I'm wondering if we're trying too hard to solve some things.  I checked out the Giddy connection on my mother's autosomal DNA and found a very small connection to Esdras Giddy's sister Honour who married a Thomas Bennet.  Michael Angrove was the tree owner.

But the thing that caught my eye in the Angrove tree was that the places were Liskeard, Saltash, St Germans, Callington, South Hill, Menheniot etc.  All places in my Cornish tree.  Prudence Kent, daughter of Tamar Denithorne and Ralph Kent was baptised in St Gluvias in 1713.  But she married John Sullefun in 1738 in St Germans.  I've never worked out how she got there - but if her mother's cousin Constance was in Liskeard ... is that the connection??  Did Prudence go and visit her?

And have these two families inter-married further down the line as well?  It's looking to me like we should share trees.  On Ancestry I'm IDCosgrove

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Cornwall / Re: Tamar Donnythorne of St Gluvias (poss 1672 - 1740)
« on: Thursday 02 November 23 20:38 GMT (UK)  »
Well, on GEDMatch you and my mother don’t match at minimum segment 7cM but at 5cM - wow!  Probably MRCA at about 7 generations ago which is about right!

You and I don’t match at 5cM but if I take that down to 3cM, we have 10 shared segments.  That could just be DNA noise.  So I’d stick with my mother’s kit.

Isabel

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Cornwall / Re: Tamar Donnythorne of St Gluvias (poss 1672 - 1740)
« on: Thursday 02 November 23 18:41 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Margaret

It's worth comparing our kits on GedMatch as it can go down to quite small numbers.  Mine is A861555 and my mother's is A417775.

Isabel

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Cornwall / Re: Tamar Donnythorne of St Gluvias (poss 1672 - 1740)
« on: Tuesday 31 October 23 16:34 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Osprey I guessed something like that.

No sign of an Alice to match yours yet!


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Cornwall / Re: Tamar Donnythorne of St Gluvias (poss 1672 - 1740)
« on: Tuesday 31 October 23 09:57 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Margaret

I had a look at the original parish record for marriages on Family Search.  There’s nothing to suggest John who married Blanch needed parental permission but that could just be the way the vicar recorded things!  Not sure if this link will take you there but it’s on page 71 ….

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-65Z9-X7?i=70&wc=3CB8-3TB%3A138123201%2C141408201%2C1582892801&cc=1769414

I’ve got to Tamar and her potential mother Grace as I have tested my mtDNA.  Mother’s mother’s mother etc.  But the results turn out to be rare in Northern Europe so are not linking me to anyone else.  I tried finding other Denithornes through Ancestry DNA but drew a blank there too.   I think we are a rare species!!

Cheers
Isabel

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Cornwall / Re: Tamar Donnythorne of St Gluvias (poss 1672 - 1740)
« on: Sunday 29 October 23 11:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Margaret

I agree, too many John Denithorne/Dannithorn/Donnithorns baptised around the same time to similar named parents.  And no eliminating burials.  I doubt if there will be a headstone.  Find a Grave only shows one for the period that interests us.

I did wonder if John D and An, Ane or Anne are different people to John and Anes.  Anes being a phonetic spelling of Agnes.  There is a baptism for parents John and Agnes daughter Elizabeth in 1629. But that might be clutching at straws!

So two similar families having children baptised at St Gluvias the Martyr.  Perhaps.

Generally I have found that if parents have children baptised using the same Christian name, the earlier ones have died, even if there is no record.  Marriages and births seem to have been more important to record.  So I would say for you that it's more likely that the John baptised 1646 is the one that married Blanch in 1664, even though he would have been aged 18 or 19.

It's all a bit of guesswork, isn't?

Best wishes
Isabel


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Cornwall / Re: Tamar Donnythorne of St Gluvias (poss 1672 - 1740)
« on: Saturday 28 October 23 23:08 BST (UK)  »
Hello Margaret

How wonderful we have found that connection!  John son of John and Ane is my 7th great grand uncle.

Yes, I had John Donnithorne and An, Ane, Anes or Anne as Henry's parents.  Other possible children I found were Nicholas 1633 and William 1640.  I found 2 Johns!  One  baptised 1646, another born about 1644 but they could be the same person!

Is your ancestor the John that married Blanch Dout in 1664?

All the best
Isabel

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Cornwall / Re: Tamar Donnythorne of St Gluvias (poss 1672 - 1740)
« on: Friday 27 October 23 21:44 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Colin

So many different spellings!!  I had most of those except John bap 1671 which suggests the Henry/Grace marriage was 1670 or 1671. 

So I think I am probably on the right track!!

Appreciated!


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Cornwall / Re: Tamar Donnythorne of St Gluvias (poss 1672 - 1740)
« on: Thursday 26 October 23 17:00 BST (UK)  »
Thank you.  I hadn't seen the original parish record before but, I agree, no suggestion she was a widow. 

In doing further Cornish research in the 18thC I have a found other females marrying in their late 20s and going to have large families so maybe it's not so unusual.  The other possibility is that the Tamar baptised in 1672 died and another child was given the same name without a baptism either taking place or being recorded. 

I see you have Donithorn as name you are researching.  I've found variations of the name in St Gluvias and Truro but haven't managed to link any of them together.

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