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Jim

In google search enter   Private John Hardie regiment #922192 Canadian Infantry

www.canadiangreatwarproject.com/searches/soldierdetailprint.asp?ID=56222

and   www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remembrance/memorials/books

you will find the info I have on John Hardie stating his army data

Now I'm going to search when he emigrated to Canada...

One other thing on the census  John Hardie Williams was noted as James Florence's stepson  BUT
Annie & Annette were not noted as step daughters - cld he have fathered them before marrying
Catherine Anne Williams....Threw that in to add to yr confusion...

Have a great day..

I am as confused as u re John Hardie - hopefully we will eventually sort him out...
John emigrated to Winnipeg, Manitoba as that is where he enlisted in the Canadian Infantry
March 30, 1916... The regimental number I have is 922192 whereby u mention the number
186310  -  I will check with the Commonwealth Graves to see what if anything they have on
either of these regimental numbers.
I will search out what I can on his emigration to see if anyone else emigrated with him

Actually I can't see James Florence being John Hardie's father as he wld only of been 16 when
John was born, no doubt he was his stepfather...
John has given his mother Florence Hardie of Oyne as his next of kin - was she an aunt who maybe
raised him during some part of his life? A little challenge to sink my teeth into, I'll let you
know what I find if anything...

I have copies of the births of Annie, Annette & John Hardie Williams are all children of Catherine
Anne Williams as per Scotland's People..

Re George Florence he was not my father - he was my half sister Molly Robertson Florence Wright's
father, he was born in 1905 the son of James Florence/Catherine Williams, George was a friend and worked on the railroad with my mother's brother - he was killed by a train in 1930 at Leuchars Fife.

Jim:
my computer is acting up - I hope u don't get this msg twice.

Sorry I hope it is not me confusing u - I try to keep my facts straight..

John Hardie was born Feb 18, 1891 the son of Florence Hardie & James Florence..   he was
illegitimate and no doubt raised by his mother as his next of kin on his death notice was
registered as his mother Florence Hardie, Oyne Aberdeenshire Scotland.

I guess Catherine had John Handie Williams before her marriage..    Handie versus Hardie no wonder u are confused..  Bear with me I'll try to put yr confusion to rest.
 
As I see Annie (7) & Annette Williams (4) were on the 1901 census with James Florence & family
I'll check to see who these girls belong to...

I find all these little intricacies a challenge, keeps my mind active in my old age.
Rosina

Jim:   
Re: James Florence 1875-1960 & Catherine Anne Williams 1868-1949 (have copies of death
certificates) 
I didn't have the 2 sons of Catherines before marriage - will check that out.

James Florence had a son John Hardie b. Feb 18, 1891  with Florence Hardie before his marriage
to Catherine.
John Hardie enlisted in 27th Battalion Canadian Infantry March 30th, 1916 at 252-1/2 Main Steet
Winnipeg, Manitoba.  He died November 6, 1917 (26) buried Menin Gate (Ypres) memorial
Belgium plot panel 24-26-28-30   commemorated: Oyne War Memorial

The following are children of James Florence/Catherine Anne Williams m. Dec 4th 1897 Kintore. JAMES b. 28/02/1898 Glenbogie, Oyne    - didn't find any marriage or death for him
ISABELLA b. 1900 Glenbogie, Oyne m. Alexander Wilson Kennedy Feb 17, 1932 168/02 0053
she died 1977 (76) at Peterhead 313/00 0018
WILLIAM b. 1902 Glenbogie, Oyne m. Jessie Jane Elizabeth Ingram 1943 Inverurie  204/00 0022
he died 1961 (58) Royal Infirmary Northern District Aberdeen 168/01 0507
GEORGE b. 1905 Glenbogie, Oyne killed by train Leuchars, Fife Aug 21, 1930 (25)  445/00 0008
CATHERINE JANE b. 1906 Glenbogie, Oyne m. John Joiner April 14, 1928 Oyne 230/00 0001
she died Peterhead 2003 (96)  313/00 0036    John Joiner b. 1903 died 1982 (79) 313/00 0025
ELSIE MARY B. 1909 Glenbogie, Oyne spinster d. November 29, 1997 (88) Insch  318/00 0019
HENRY WATSON b. 1911 Glenbogie, Oyne d. Jan 6, 1913 (1) 230/00 0002

I've searched for descendants of all of the above children - I only found what I believe are the
children of Catherine Jane Florence/John Joiner.. I cld not confirm as Scotlands People had NO
Images  just data.

JOHN JOINER b. 1928 Peterhead 232/01 0149 m. Mary Strachan 1949 Peterhead 232/00 0014
Mary Strachan  d. 1990 Peterhead 313/00 0145
ALEXANDER JAMES JOINER b. 1929 232/01 0322 d. 2012 (82) Peterhead 313/00 0035
LEONARD JOINER b. 1932 232/00 0092 m. Sheila Wardlaw Birnie 1955  Peterhead 232/00 0026
d. 2013 (80) Peterhead 313/00 0145
CATHERINE ANN JOINER b. 1936 232/00 0241 m. Alexander Stephen 1960 Peterhead 232/00 0032

as I forementioned the above 4 children have not been confirmed as there were no images to obtain copies of B.M.D. certificates...
Next I will try to do some confirming & perhaps find descendants of the Joiner family who
hopefully maybe able to enlighten me if any of the family had heard mention of George Florence
fathering a daughter (my half sister)... The irony of it all my mother never told any of my siblings
or myself that she had a daughter (our half sister) and had left her back in Scotland to be raised by our grandmother - mom passed away in 1958 and an old auntie in Scotland proceeded to tell me in the early 90's about Molly who had died in 1979 - I flew to England in 1994 to meet Molly's daughter & son...Mom had never put the father's name on the birth certificate - but, the detective in me ferreted it out by way of Molly's name  - Molly Robertson Florence Wright ..Why mom kept it a secret is beyond me...
 I cld prattle on, as my brother-in-law always said I write like I talk never ending, so I'll close
on that note.
Regards,
Rosina

Jim: I'm a Canadian - are you??

In reply to yr last posting - u might be right I just found two James Florences born Auchterless
as follows:
17/04/1781 father James Florence Loggie Old Town Auchterless  173/00 0020 0089
19/07/1783 father James Florence Gordontown Auchterless  173/00 0020 0100

Only birth I found for Margaret WIGHT born July 21, 1776 dau of Peter Wight Tarves Aberdeen
243 00 0010 0295

No marriage found for James Florence & Margaret Wight
Children found for James Florence & Margaret WIGHT as follows:
Leslie August 15, 1810   173 00 0020 0199
Isobel May 19, 1813       173 00 0020 0207
Alexander July 01, 1814  173 00 0020 0210
John April 18, 1816         173 00 0020 0217

Death: Margaret WIGHT wife of Jas Florence Fisherford, Auchterless Sept 25, 1839

!841 census Everton Auchterless for James Florence
James Florence (55)
John     ``   `   (20)
Robert              (15)  couldn`t make out his last name
William             (15)       ``       ``     ``      ``    ``
Isobel Florence  (25)
Isobel Cran       (20)

Death: James Florence widower of Margaret WIGHT  November 2, 1863 Fisherford Auchterless
173 00 0035

MARGARET WRIGHT born April 25, 1789 father John Wright Auchterless  173 00 0020 0120

No marriage found for James Florence & Margaret WRIGHT

Child of Margaret WRIGHT & James Florence (as per certificate)   Mary born August 24, 1809  173 00 0020 0197
her dearh certificate February 24, 1880 New Deer gives her parents names as James Florence
& Margaret WIGHT  225 00 0011

I searched censuses & deaths for Margaret WRIGHT & James Florence to no avail..
Trust u can decipher all of the above.
Rosina