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Australia / Re: BAILEY Ann Barton
« on: Saturday 29 October 11 06:42 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: cando on Saturday 29 October 11 06:31 BST (UK)
I don't have the patience today to wait for the download from this extraordinarly slow website ::) ::)

Don't worry about downloading it, the will is not particularly enlightening. There is no mention of Annie his wife (not surprisingly). By the time Johann died, both his sons had passed away, and the estate is left to Annie Williams his daughter and Lily Stahl his daughter-in-law's family.

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Australia / Re: BAILEY Ann Barton
« on: Saturday 29 October 11 06:39 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: cando on Saturday 29 October 11 06:24 BST (UK)
BAILEY Edward 25 years Father Joseph BAILEY
BARTON Mary Ann Humphreys Barton  18 years
22 July 1847  All Sainst, Derby, Derby, England         

Yes, I had assumed that was her parent's marriage.
     
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Is this the death of Annie's husband?
Death
STAHL Johann
Parents unknown  
At Golden Square  82 years  1918  Reg#9054

Yes it is. There is also a will of his.

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Perhaps the source of the date and place is a birth certificate of one of the children of the relationship and that is not proof of marriage.

Yes, you are right, the source of the date is from a birth certificate, not from a parish record, I just rechecked.

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then I would be wondering if there was a marriage

Quite possible that there wasn't. Two of Henry's children were registered as Stahl even before the purported wedding date (Alfred James and Henrietta Jemima Ludlow).  We believe that they are Henry's children because (a) they changed their surname to Tedder; (b) they were not included in Johann Stahl's will; (c) the name Ludlow comes from Henry's grandmother.

Also interesting is that her daughter Arabella Tedder (1889) was registered as Arabella Stahl with no father listed, though this is long after Annie left Johann.

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Australia / Re: BAILEY Ann Barton
« on: Saturday 29 October 11 06:25 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: wivenhoe on Saturday 29 October 11 05:58 BST (UK)
I wonder if Annie is born Humphrey/Humphries, and Bailey is assumed name on mother's remarriage...same for Richard?

I'm not sure it is to do with remarriage; I think it is that the mother's maiden name is being passed down to the children. So Annie's mother is named "Mary Ann HUMPHREYS BARTON", because her parents are William BARTON and Ann HUMPHREYS. Likewise, Ann BARTON BAILEY and Mary Emily BARTON BAILEY. Likewise Mary Ann BARTON BAILEY has two children who were given BARTON and BAILEY as part of their names respectively. Likewise William Edward BAILEY married Selina LEWIS, and one child was named Leslie Edward LEWIS BAILEY. It seems to be common in this family.

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Richard Humphries Barton Bailey 1913/15124 St Kilda 59yrs

Yes, looks like another child; they have just not included the mother's surname on the registry. Thank you very much for finding this.

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Australia / Re: BAILEY Ann Barton
« on: Saturday 29 October 11 06:09 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: cando on Saturday 29 October 11 05:50 BST (UK)
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She married Henry Tedder in 1878
I wonder if you could post the registration number as I am unable to find the marriage in the indexes or did the information come from one of the children's birth certificates? 

As far as I know the marriage was not registered (possibly because Annie was not divorced from Johann Stahl).

I have a marriage date of 20 November 1878, but I believe that came from a Bendigo church marriage record (unfortunately I don't know the source, I have been trying to find it since).

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Australia / Re: BAILEY Ann Barton
« on: Saturday 29 October 11 05:54 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Neil Todd on Saturday 29 October 11 05:23 BST (UK)
5349/1919  TEDDER  CHARLOTTE M  Father ARTHUR L  Mother MARY J   at ANNANDALE Sydney

Don't think it is one of mine.

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Australia / Re: BAILEY Ann Barton
« on: Saturday 29 October 11 03:47 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Dundee on Saturday 29 October 11 03:14 BST (UK)
Common names, I know, but there was also a Louisa Margaret MEARS who died in Queensland in 1930 with parents Edward BAILEY and Mary Ann BARTON.  It looks like she married in 1880 in Victoria to Joseph William MEARS.  If she was a sister she might be the Queensland connection?

Nice find, looks very promising thank you. The marriage to Joseph William Mears was at Fryerstown, which is where another sister Mary was born.

I also notice that Louisa has also used the names 'Bertha' and 'Charlotte' (amongst others) for her children - fairly weak evidence I know, but it is nice to see some connections.

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Australia / Re: BAILEY Ann Barton
« on: Saturday 29 October 11 02:57 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Neil Todd on Saturday 29 October 11 02:48 BST (UK)
You can wild card the QLD records but it is a bit tedious as you require a first letter then *

Very nice, I didn't realize that. Thanks! I'll see what I can find.

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Australia / Re: BAILEY Ann Barton
« on: Saturday 29 October 11 02:42 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Neil Todd on Saturday 29 October 11 01:41 BST (UK)
have you fully looked at Vic records for her death under any of her many names?

Yes I have searched, although if she remarried a third time it is quite possible I would not find it. A lot depends on whether the parents' names get recorded in full on the death index, though the Victorian records are generally reasonably good.

The Queensland records are a little more difficult to search, because the online ones don't allow wildcarding of the surname.

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I am a little worried by the fact that so many Bailey families emmigrated in that period that they could easily be confused.

As you know, Victoria's population grew by a factor of 7 in the 1850s (around half a million people came), so it was fairly chaotic. The shipping records are not always complete or particularly detailed (some just list surnames), and many people travelled overland from various ports to avoid landing taxes, so there is no guarantee I will find the record for the Baileys (though I have tried).

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Thomas PRICE, Blymhill parish records
« on: Saturday 29 October 11 02:06 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Saturday 29 October 11 01:15 BST (UK)
I think Great Chatwell is right on the border of both counties

Yes, and the border shifted at one stage (not sure of the dates), so it is listed sometimes as Staffordshire and sometimes as Shropshire. However, Great Chatwell was part of the Blymhill parish, and I was assuming the records would be in Staffordshire.

Thanks for looking up those entries in the IGI. I was unsure whether the marriage entry was theirs (despite being a good match), because I was expecting they would have married in either Blymhill or Brewood (I don't know of any connection to Wolverhampton central). Still, it is not too many miles away. In the 1871 census, Thomas was living in Great Chatwell, and Catherine's mother and daughter Lucy (not from the marriage to Thomas) were living at Bishop's Wood.

I don't think the Selattyn and Saint Martins entries are for the same Thomas, because they are too far away from Great Chatwell (and Thomas Price is a common name).

Catherine was still living at Blymhill in the 1920s (I have a picture of her taken at Blymhill common).

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