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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: Parents of Leslie Hofton
« on: Sunday 03 December 23 18:49 GMT (UK)  »
I never thought of that!

Father's name is Fred Brown Hofton (maybe Hofton was added by mistake?)

Mother is indeed Frances.

I can't however find Frances' date of death? I have a feeling she died giving birth to Leslie.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Parents of Leslie Hofton
« on: Sunday 03 December 23 18:35 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all.

I am researching the life of former Manchester United player Leslie Hofton.

Leslie was born 3rd March 1888 in Sheffield, and died 3rd February 1971 in Bridlington.

His 1891 and 1901 census records state that he is living with his grandfather Enoch in Kiveton Park, Yorkshire.

How do I find out which of Enoch's many children is Leslie's father/mother?

I have a feeling it is Frances (b.1869) as I can't find any record of her after 1881 - maybe she died giving birth to Leslie and her parents took the newborn in?

Enoch's wife Elizabeth died in 1890.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Harry Fathers - WWI
« on: Tuesday 07 November 23 18:28 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all.

I am researching the life of my 1st cousin 3x removed, Harry Fathers, who died o n 5th July 1917.

I have his military records and census records, but cannot find a birth record for Harry.

The 1911, 1901 and 1891 censuses all have Harry as born 1885 in Kiveton Park, but I can't find a birth record to back this up.

I would like a copy of his birth certificate.

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The Common Room / Re: Help with details re: an old footballer
« on: Tuesday 24 October 23 10:11 BST (UK)  »
Thanks all - some really good research there!

I *think* I'd be comfortable saying the following timeline is fairly accurate?

- In the 1911 census, John Butler is a professional footballer living at Plymouth
- His family were living back in Kiveton Park - wife Beatrice signing the census as Mrs. John Butler.
- John and Beatrice Eyley married in 1902
- In the 1921 census and 1939 register, John and Beatrice are living at Dinnington (near Kiveton). John noted as born in West Bromwich in the 1921 census.
- In 1891, John is a 15yo coal miner living in Kiveton, Yorkshire, with parents John and Eliza, and younger brother James
- The same family is still in West Bromwich in 1881 - 5yo John jr. is a visitor next door!
- By 1901 24yo John jr. has left the family home but I can't find where - possibly in the military based on press clippings?

Would anyone disagree with the above?

Can anyone find John in the 1901 census?

His death record?

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The Common Room / Help with details re: an old footballer
« on: Monday 23 October 23 20:18 BST (UK)  »
Hi all. I am currently writing a book about my village football club, Kiveton Park FC, in the southern-most reaches of Yorkshire.

I am covering notable former players, and have basic lifestories for all the ones I want to write about  - apart from one.

John 'Jack' Butler played for the club from 1902 to 1905, before moving into the professional game with Grimsby Town. He then moved to Plymouth Argyle in 1907/08, before the war more or less finished his career.

No matter how hard I look, I can barely find any details on his life, and don't know when he was born or died.

A Kiveton match report from 1904 states he was injured and his place taken by his brother - unnamed this time, but in a seperate game they play together as John Butler and Jas. Butler.

'Most' sources (including a Plymouth fansite here https://www.greensonscreen.co.uk/gosdb-players2.asp?pid=131) I have found have Jack down as born in 1885, but the only census record I know of for certain is from 1911, when he is noted as being a Professional Footballer living in Plymouth. Frustratingly, no place of birth is given, but he is listed as aged 34 - which would mean he was born circa 1877!

The English National Football Archive agree with the 1877 birth year, but state he was born in West Bromwich.

I have looked on the British Newspaper Archive and the only snippet of information I can find on his personal life comes from 1913, when it's noted he is an ex-service man, having played football with the Royal Artillery for two seasons.

With so many conflicting accounts, and with such a common name, where do I go next in the hunt for Jack's DoB and DoD?

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Ayrshire / Birth records needed for two Ayrshire ancestors
« on: Monday 10 April 23 22:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi all.

I was hoping someone might be able to help me find some birth records for two of my great-great grandparents, who were both born in Ayrshire in the early 19th century. They were married in 1842 in Wigtownshire but their parish record for the marriage is sketchy on details to say the least.

Alexander Gibson
1841 census - Age 25 (resident Otterden Gate, Maybole, Ayrshire)
1851 census - Age 34, born Tarbolton, Ayrshire (resident Kirkmaiden, Wigtownshire)
1861 census - Age 45, born Tarbolton, Ayrshire (resident Leswalt, Wigtownshire)
1871 census - Age 51, born Tarbolton, Ayrshire (resident Leswalt, Wigtownshire)
1881 census - Age 65, born Tarbolton, Ayrshire (resident Kirkmaiden, Wigtownshire)
1883 death - Age 70, parents John Gibson and Marion Dryman? (resident Kirkmaiden, Wigtownshire)

So Alexander was likely born in Tarbolton, between 1813 and 1820.

Janet Ritchie
1841 census - Age 20 (resident Tarbolton, Ayrshire)
1851 census - Age 31, born Tarbolton, Ayrshire (resident Kirkmaiden, Wigtownshire)
1861 census - Age 42, born Tarbolton, Ayrshire (resident Leswalt, Wigtownshire)
1871 census - Age 48, born Tarbolton, Ayrshire (resident Leswalt, Wigtownshire)
1875 death - Age 57, parents *blank* Ritchie and Margaret Cowan (resident Kirkmaiden, Wigtownshire)

And Janet too was likely born in Tarbolton, between 1818 and 1823.

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Staffordshire / Re: Edward Harris death record needed
« on: Monday 10 April 23 21:49 BST (UK)  »
From  FreeReg.
Burial. Edward Harris,  2 June 1925. Age 74. 132 Bloomfield Road, Tipton. Labourer. Alexandra Road Cemetery, Tipton. A possibility?
Thanks Brentor - I think this is likely him - however I can't find any other record of this death - I'm wanting to get a death certificate but can't find any civil record?

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Staffordshire / Re: Elizabeth Cook (ne Ingram) death record needed
« on: Wednesday 23 December 20 14:32 GMT (UK)  »
Burial;
07 Nov 1907, St Michael, South Normanton, Derbyshire
Elizabeth Cook age 66
Abode Market Place S Normanton
(FreeREG)

Cant see her in 1901 Census :-\
I'm not sure this is the Elizabeth Cook I am after, as each of her census records state she was born in 1845. If she died in 1907 aged 66 she would have been born in 1841.

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Staffordshire / Re: Elizabeth Cook (ne Ingram) death record needed
« on: Tuesday 22 December 20 17:46 GMT (UK)  »

In the 1901 census, her husband William Henry Cook is living with their son William - no sign of Elizabeth.

Where. :-\
Does it say whether he is married or widowed
Sorry, might have helped!

They are living in South Normanton, Derbyshire in 1901. It says 'M' on marital status, so maybe she was still alive back in Staffordshire. In the 1911 census, William Henry is noted a widower.

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