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Lanarkshire / Re: Convict Henry Morgan
« on: Today at 09:42 »
If I was to purchase this record would I see any information on his mother Ms Taylor?
Highly unlikely, unless she was involved in whatever he was convicted of.

What do you mean by 'trailed'?

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Ayrshire / Re: Robert Speir of Dalry, Ayrshire
« on: Yesterday at 14:52 »
Sheena, you can use the Personal Message system to exchange information such as e-mail addresses. Just click on the wee sheet-of-paper icon under Bob's name and it will take you there.

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Ayrshire / Re: Baird Ayr.
« on: Friday 17 May 24 11:10 BST (UK)  »
Hi forfarian, I have no proof, only it came up on ancestry DNA, I have also seen names on somebody else’s tree! Obviously 🙄 these aren’t to be trusted, I normally go back through the census, birth, marriage and death certificates, but John has been very challenging, maybe because I’m barking up the wrong tree 🌳
So you think Archibald and Agnes are the way to go?
You are absolutely right not to trust anything you find online, and especially not other people's trees on commercial web sites like Ancestry.

In my opinion Archibald and Agnes are a better fit for the parents of John Baird because
(a) John's first son was named Archibald
(b) they were in Mauchline, which is where Archibald was baptised
(c) he is the right age to be the one in the census in Edinburgh in 1841
so I would definitely want to investigate them if I were you.

It may be that Archibald (senior) was related to William-husband-of-Mary-Gibson which could account for a DNA match.

It is also possible that your John Baird is one of the many people whose baptism record, if it ever existed, has not survived.

But don't trust me either! Make sure to leave no stones of your own unturned.

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Ayrshire / Re: Baird Ayr.
« on: Friday 17 May 24 08:55 BST (UK)  »
This is what the indexes to the original records show.

John Baird and Helen Watson were married in Glasgow in 1817. Their family were
Archibald, baptised 1818 in Mauchline
Jean, baptised 1820 in Leith
John, baptised 1822 in Leith
William, baptised 1824 in Greenock

In 1841 the family, minus Archibald, were living in Meadowbank, Edinburgh.

Have you viewed all the baptism records? Are the witnesses' names recorded, and if so do they provide any clues?

Archibald Baird and Agnes Bell had eleven of a family, five baptised in New Cumnock then six baptised in Mauchline. If I were you, I would be looking at some of those baptisms to see if they resided in the same place where John B and Helen Watson were when their Archibald was baptised.

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Ayrshire / Re: Baird Ayr.
« on: Friday 17 May 24 08:39 BST (UK)  »
John Baird was the Son of William Baird and Mary Gibson b. 22 Aug 1784 (Scotland's People).
Yes.

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Below is the christening date for Archibald, John and Helens 1st Son.
Name:  Archibald Baird.  Event Type:  Christening.  Event Date:  24 Jun 1818.
Event Place:  Mauchline, Ayrshire, Scotland.  Event Place (Original):  Mauchline, Ayr, Scotland.
Gender:  Male.  Birth Date:  5 Jun 1818.  Father's Name:  John Baird. Mother's Name:  Hellen Watson.
Yes.

But what is your evidence to prove that John Baird, husband of Helen Watson and father of Archibald is the same person as John Baird, son of William Baird and Mary Gibson?

If that census is the right family, John's age is recorded as 45, which means that he was born between 1791 and 1796. John Baird, born in 1784, if he was still living in 1841, would have been 56 and should have been recorded as 55 - a full ten years older.

The most obvious candidate to be father of John Baird, father-in-law of Helen Watson, and grandfather of Archibald is surely John, son of Archibald Baird and Agnes Bell, who was baptised in Mauchline on 3 January 1796?

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Ayrshire / Re: FINDLATER
« on: Thursday 16 May 24 22:49 BST (UK)  »
If Findlater is a rare name in both Ireland and Scotland as suggested there should be a common connection to form the relationship somewhere.  Maybe the whole family didn't move to Scotland during the early 1830's.
I'd say it was uncommon but not rare. Scotland's People has 12,512 references to Fin*l*t*r.

The name originates in Banffshire, where there is a ruined Findlater Castle - see https://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=211308948. It was a seat of the Ogilvies until they built the more commodious Cullen House in 1600.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: The name "Thirlow" or Thurlow Fraser
« on: Thursday 16 May 24 15:13 BST (UK)  »
I happened to be wandering around Tyrie yesterday and came across Denburn. See attached.

The name Denburn is on the glass panel above the front door.

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Scotland / Re: Scottish naming patterns
« on: Thursday 16 May 24 14:11 BST (UK)  »
For those who don't know "Jack" is the pet name for "John" and the English equivalent of the French/Norman given name of "Jacques".
Actually Jacques is the equivalent of James, originally Jacob, becoming Latin Jacobus, which mutated to Jacomus and became Giacomo in Italian and James in English.

John is the equivalent of French Jean, and Jack was almost always a pet name for John, via Jan, then Jankin, though it's now used as a separate name.

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Ayrshire / Re: Baird Ayr.
« on: Thursday 16 May 24 14:00 BST (UK)  »
This looks like the right ones in Madon Bank, St Cuthberts, Edinburgh in 1841.
John Baird  45, Gardener
Helen Baird  45
Jane Baird  20
John Baird  15
Wm Baird  15
Elbert Mcallister  40
Euphemia Mcallister  40
FreeCEN transcribes the address as Meadow Bank, and the McAllisters are Gilbert and Euphemia, in a separate household, so there's nothing there to help with the Baird family. SP and FindMyPast also say Gilbert not Elbert. I assume, therefore, that the foregoing is from Ancestry.

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