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The Lighter Side / Re: Myths debunked when doing family histroy.
« on: Friday 26 April 24 09:36 BST (UK)  »
My children’s direct paternal ancestor left Yorkshire in 1640 and arrived in Massachusetts as a servant, although I am not sure he was indentured.  He later set up the first grist mill in the area.

Just my opinion, but I do believe the original Puritan settlers did set a “tone” in New England of hard work, sobriety, and a conservative approach to life, if not politics, as it does tend to be a liberal area in that regard.

 I highly recommend the book Albion’s Seed about how the British settlement of the original colonies influenced four major regions of what is now the US.  It is by David Hackett Fischer. He also wrote Champlain’s Dream, about New France.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Myths debunked when doing family histroy.
« on: Friday 26 April 24 01:30 BST (UK)  »
It's hard to see how some of these things can be considered "myths" or even commonly held, but erroneous, beliefs.

"the census will give which cottage our ancestors lived in"
"Everyone should be on the censuses ..."
"you should be able to always find a record of a death"

These may be misapprehensions held by some, but they're not myths.  A myth is a traditional story handed down from generation to generation.  They are the things you heard at your mother's knee or simplified historical 'facts' you learned in elementary school.  Myths put spin on historical reality; they teach us the accepted party line.   But who among us grew up beleving anything at all, whether true or false, about censuses or death records?  Censuses and BMDs are not the subjects of mythology.

There are genealogical myths, though.  For example, that North America was largely settled by people who were fleeing religious persecution.  Some settlers were, but not the majority.   That is a myth.

Only in your part of North America. There is no Canadian myth about the first Europea settlers fleeing religious persecution; they were French men and women who continued to practice Catholicism in New France. 
Many of the early settlers here of English and German backgrounds were fleeing the American Revolution.
The large number of early Scots who came here worked in the fur trade.  No fleeing religious persecution that I have ever heard.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Myths debunked when doing family histroy.
« on: Thursday 25 April 24 14:18 BST (UK)  »
My Quaker ancestor was baptized the day she got married.  She married C of E.  I am not sure where she was born - I did find her birthdate recorded in Quaker records along with some of her siblings, but no mention of her birthplace.  Very likely in the area of Barnoldswick, Yorks., or just over the border in Lancashire.  She married in Hornby, Lancs.

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Canada / Re: Edward BLAKEY, Born 28/07/1843, Blackburn, Lancashire, UK
« on: Wednesday 24 April 24 16:08 BST (UK)  »
Snippet from his 1904 obit. Should we presume his time in Canada followed his release from prison circa 1860? Did he enlist with the army shortly after?

I suppose the Canadian time-frame is anything circa 1860 to 1889?

I posted about a possible in 1871 in Ontario, but this one seems to be in England in the 1871 England Census.  He is missing from the 1861 Canadian Census.  Most of the west was not settled in this timeframe, so he was probably in Ontario or Quebec (Canada West and East at the time).

If he was involved in textiles, more likely in the east, too, am not sure how much was going on at that time.  Might be something connected to the US Civil war, with cotton coming via the port of Montreal or Halifax?  Just speculating, really don't know.

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Canada / Re: Edward BLAKEY, Born 28/07/1843, Blackburn, Lancashire, UK
« on: Wednesday 24 April 24 15:19 BST (UK)  »
How old was Edward when he died?  Did he marry, in the UK or possibly Canada?

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The Lighter Side / Re: Myths debunked when doing family histroy.
« on: Tuesday 23 April 24 10:12 BST (UK)  »
"Mean average": what means that?

Also of interest, perhaps, is the average age of the menarche (first menstruation):
figures from Germany give 16.1 in 1900, falling to 13.1 in 1960, with the steepest fall in the post-war years.  I don't know whether that average is the mean, mode, or median, but I rather dread to think how low it must be now if the trend has continued.

The average age of the menopause changed less, from 47 or 48 until the war, rising to somewhat over 49 by 1960.  I couldn't find later figures, or for earlier centuries.

Average age of menarche is thought to be tied in to general good health and nutrition (a certain proportion of body fat is need for healthy reproduction cycles) so it is not surprising the age fell after WW2.  Probably still higher in areas of the world where nutrition is a problem.
I don’t see it falling a lot lower, but I suppose it’s possible.  Girls generally not far off their adult height when they begin menstruating.  Can’t imagine a baby reaching adult height within five years, for instance!
Menopause is also likely affected by nutrition. What I have read is that the average age is now 51.

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Canada / Re: Looking for James BIRCHALL, arrived Quebec 1927
« on: Tuesday 23 April 24 01:39 BST (UK)  »
James Birchall was my grandfather.  His occupation was greens keeper at the Royal Montreal Golf Club, where he lived with his wife, Margaret Thomson (married in 1927) and his three children, Janet (Nettie), Maitland and Robert.  Janet was named after her maternal grandmother, Robert and Maitland were both named after close friends of my grandfather.  Maitland's middle name comes from a member of the Campbell family who was a second cousin to my great grandmother.

The family returned to Dunlop and James died in May of 1941 and is buried (with my grandmother and great grandmother) in the village cemetery.  His death certificate lists Margaret Thomson as his wife as well as Joseph Birchall, his father and Rosetta Birchall (nee Smith),  his mother.

Neil MacKenzie emigrated to Canada in 1952 and Janet Birchall followed in 1954.  They were married in Toronto in 1954. There was never a change of family name. Neil's mother was Annie MacKenzie (nee Richie) his father was Kenneth MacKenzie.

Margaret Birchall married William Gauld in 1947, who died in 1962.  Four years later she emigrated to Canada and lived with Janet and Neil and their daughter.  One year after this, Maitland moved in with the family.

When Maitland Birchall emigrated to Canada he worked as a 2nd and 1st mate on ships on the Great Lakes.  He then became a Master Mariner  and was captain of the Canadian science ships "Bayfield" and "Limnos".  Following his death in 2017, I took his ashes back to Dunlop where he is buried in the same village cemetery as his parents and grandmother.

Members of the family have no information regarding a "first wife". 

After my visit Scotland and doing searches in Edinburgh, I quickly came to the conclusion that it's very easy to get bogged down in records.  When researching my grandfather's military record, I found no less that four James Birchalls, all from the same area of England.  Apparently Birchall and Burchill are common names.

Could you tell me te date of James and Margaret’s marriage? I couldn’t find one in the Quebec records, and as I mentioned, on the 1931 Canadian census, Margaret is listed as his housekeeper, not his wife.  He is listed as married, she as single.
James was married twice before he went to Montreal; his daughter Eva married Neil Campbell in Montreal.  Eva was from his first marriage.

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Canada / Re: Looking for James BIRCHALL, arrived Quebec 1927
« on: Monday 22 April 24 22:48 BST (UK)  »
I will look over my notes again but it seems unlikely to me that he is not the same individual - how many James Birchalls from Burnley would have worked as golf course groundskeepers, which is rather an unusual occupation, in fact, he is the only one I have found amongst thousands of relatives!
Louisa Newton Cooper Birchall was my grandfather’s cousin.  My grandparents immigrated to Quebec about the same time James did.
Not completely ruling him out, but I want to look it over again.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Myths debunked when doing family histroy.
« on: Monday 22 April 24 16:15 BST (UK)  »
There is also the myth about women marrying at a young age, i.e. under 20.  I find most brides in my family range from 20-24.  I think this myth might have originated in the USA where brides might have skewed a bit younger. 
Puberty happened later in the past, so young mothers of 15-16 are rare, most of the births without marriage seem to be hovering around 20 and even older.

Also it is wrong to assume in the pre census and BMD era that a woman was around 20 when she married, if there is no other record of her age, a woman in say 1750 who had children after marrying could have been up to the age of 35. If she had just 2 or 3 children, it could be she married later in life.

Yes, just looking at one of mine who married in 1781 and had children until 1804.  One can make a good guess of the range of her birth year by this.  Poor woman had 11 children, 7 died young, and I can't trace three of the others.

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