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I have quite a bit about the Charlton family - including a couple of pictures.  It will take a while to dig it all out but please bear with me and I will post it for you.

The Chelmsford was built in about 1896 but tread carefully when you are researching - because that was not the original pub.  The original was just along the street at No 2 Front Street and was in operation for many years before the present building.

My wife's aunt and uncle lived in that house for decades and they had a room they called the cellar.  It was on the ground floor and totally separate from what is now the living room/dining room area.  He always said the house used to be a pub but nobody believed him.  Recent evidence has proved him right - there was a licence issued at this address and it was in the same name as the first landlord of the present Chelmsford.

Regards

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Hello 1Inquisitor

Yes, please feel free to use the picture on your tree.  I have a great interest in the whole history of this pub so I am also interested in any older information you may have.

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Durham / Re: B.F. Johnson - Consett
« on: Thursday 14 March 24 12:51 GMT (UK)  »
To all who contributed, thank you

Robert F Johnson is definitely the man I was looking for.  The confusion was largely of his making - he gave the impression that he was in charge of a major hotel but in fact it was only a beerhouse.  His money came mostly from organising sporting events and gambling on them.  By the time of the 1871 Census he had left Consett and his beerhouse had moved location.  It was still in the same street and I believe it has subsequently morphed into the Mason's Arms public house

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Durham / Re: B.F. Johnson - Consett
« on: Wednesday 13 March 24 20:26 GMT (UK)  »
Alan Boyd

Thank you.  George Howard was a publican in Middle Street at the same time so that probably eliminates the Wheatsheaf as one of the possibles.  Our Mr Johnson rattled the cages of a few local innkeepers and that may well be why he left Consett

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Durham / Re: B.F. Johnson - Consett
« on: Wednesday 13 March 24 19:11 GMT (UK)  »
Jen B

Yes, I saw that too!  Strange profession!

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Durham / Re: B.F. Johnson - Consett
« on: Wednesday 13 March 24 18:41 GMT (UK)  »
Jen B

You might very well be right.  I have found no other mentions of him at all outside the 1860-1864 time period so I think his time in Consett was short which is odd because Middle Street was and still is the busiest street in Consett and contained most of the better hotels in the town.  So I cannot understand why he left so abruptly and just seems to have disappeared.  There are no press reports or obituaries on him and that is unusual for a prominent citizen so I don't think he died there.  You and Queenie have given me the only evidence of his location.  The biggest and best establishment in Consett was in Front Street but he was not there as the owners and licensees are all known in the five year period I quoted.

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Durham / Re: B.F. Johnson - Consett
« on: Wednesday 13 March 24 18:26 GMT (UK)  »
Queenof theWest and Jen B

Middle Street was one of the relatively few streets that were in Consett at that time and it became the main shopping and socialising street so that would have been my guess (but only a guess).  There were six pubs in that street but none of them were named Tattersalls Inn.  So after your comments I think it must have been one of them.  Mr Johnson was very keen on sport and gambling on it.  Tattersalls was the biggest betting and horse sales agency of the day in England.  I am now guessing that Tattersall's was no more than a nickname (although he did use it in his advertising).  However, The Edinburgh House, another pub in that street advertised itself as the Jubilee Bar so it is not without precedent locally.  Thanks for your contributions.


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Durham / Re: B.F. Johnson - Consett
« on: Wednesday 13 March 24 18:07 GMT (UK)  »
Milliepede

No other clues at all.  Everything I know about him was in the original question

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Durham / Re: B.F. Johnson - Consett
« on: Wednesday 13 March 24 15:43 GMT (UK)  »
I forgot to the mention that the initials BF are suspect as in one report it is RF and in another it is UF

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