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One Name Studies: H to M / Re: Lock / Locke
« on: Wednesday 14 February 24 20:31 GMT (UK)  »
The Group 9 participant did indeed get upgraded to the Big Y DNA test and he is a Big Y DNA match to Group 9.

Here is the latest Big Y participants family tree.

Descendants of Samuel Lock
                                 
   1     Samuel Lock      b: Abt. 1822 in Barnstaple, Devon, England                     
..      +Elizabeth Burdguss      b: Abt. 1823 in Chittlehampton, Devon, England                     
   2     John Lock      b: Abt. 1852 in Barnstaple, Devon England                     
   2     Amelia Lock      b: Abt. 1854 in Pilton, Devon, England                     
   2     Samuel Jr. Lock      b: Abt. 1857 in Pilton, Devon, England                     
...      +Elizabeth Harriet Lockyer      b: Abt. 1858 in Cogges, Oxfordshire, England                     
.   3     Elizabeth Lock      b: 1881                     
.   3     Gertrude Lock      b: Abt. 1886 in Plaistow, West Ham, Essex, England                     
.   3     William Lock      b: Abt. 1888 in Plaistow, West Ham, Essex, England                     
.   3     Ernest Lock      b: Abt. 1889 in Plaistow, West Ham, Essex, England                     
.....      +Ivy Evelyn Grace Finn                           
...   4     Norman Bertram Peter Lock      b: July 1917 in Bournemouth, England                     
...   4     Eric John Lock      b: 1919 in Bournemouth, England                     
.   3     Bertie Lock      b: Abt. 1895 in Plaistow, West Ham, Essex, England                     
.   3     Mable Lock      b: Abt. 1899 in Plaistow, West Ham, Essex, England                     
   2     William Lock      b: Abt. 1860 in Pilton, Devon, England                     

If your Lock / Locke tree traces back to Devonshire, England 1600's - 1700's era, you might consider joining the Group 9 participants in being Big Y DNA tested. This is getting pretty exciting, the Locke DNA project now has multiple Lock / Locke branches who's family trees are not fully connected just yet, but with each Big Y test being completed, proving to be a genetic match, it is just a matter of time before the common male ancestor(s) are identified.

As far as genetic matches goes, it does not get any better of a genetic match then a Big Y 700 match. Anyone who wants to see the other part of this Lock tree, can do a search on William Buckingham Lock and find his family tree online. William Buckingham Lock's tree is related to the latest Big Y participants family tree that I just shared in this post.

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One Name Studies: H to M / Re: Lock / Locke
« on: Monday 30 October 23 11:00 GMT (UK)  »
Update for Group 9

A Mr. Locke who traces his paternal tree back to Walter Lock b. 1625 Parracombe, Devon, England has just completed his 37 marker Y DNA test has just proven to be a genetic match to John Lock, b. abt 1696 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania ( USA ) and a direct male descendant of William Lock, b. 1663, South Molton, Devon, England.

This is getting pretty exciting, 3 Lock / Locke branches with direct ties to Devon, England have been Y DNA tested and proven to carry the same Y chromosome.

A professional Genealogist has been hired to help try to figure out who the common male Lock ancestor is.
I was told it was the Genealogist who made this potential connection to the Lock's of Parracombe, and it turned out to be a good connection because a direct male descendant proved to be a Y DNA match to Group 9 in the Locke DNA project.

The latest Y DNA participant will likely be upgraded to the Big Y 700 test in the near future.

That is the whole point to the Locke DNA project, to use the paper records research in combination with the genetic evidence, to help find family tree connections that were previously not known about using only the paper records as our soul evidence proving kinship.

How many other Lock / Locke family trees of Devon who maybe related to Group 9, is not known yet, but if you are a male Lock / Locke with old ties to Devon, you might want to consider being Y DNA tested some day to see if you are a Y DNA match with Group 9. :)

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One Name Studies: H to M / Re: Lock / Locke
« on: Thursday 27 July 23 20:43 BST (UK)  »
Good news to report, a Mr. Locke has just joined the Locke DNA project with a Big Y DNA test having been completed, he was placed in Y Haplogroup R-FTB19907.
He has proven to be a 25 marker match to another Locke participant whom was already in the project, and because of this latest Y DNA match, Group 22 has tentatively just been created.

The latest Lock Big Y participant stated he traces his paternal lineage back to William Locke b. 1721.

I can not be for certain, but I believe William Locke was Christened in Oddington, Gloucestershire.

William Locke
Christening: June 11, 1721
Oddington, Gloucestershire, England
Parents: George Locke & Mary

This newly identified Lock / Locke lineage through Y DNA evidence appears to also have ties to Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England if I am not mistaken. 

It appears both Lock / Locke Y DNA participants of Group 22, are both from the UK.
I do not know yet whom the common male ancestor is yet of the original participant, I am waiting to hear back from both participants.

It isn't often when a newly identified Lock / Locke lineage is discovered to be able to create a new Family Group, so this is a pretty big deal and it involves two Lock / Locke men from the UK. :)

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One Name Studies: H to M / Re: Lock / Locke
« on: Wednesday 21 June 23 20:19 BST (UK)  »
Group 4 in the Locke DNA project are the direct male descendants of Capt. John Locke, d. 1696 of Rye, New Hampshire USA whom are one of the USA's oldest Locke lineages.

Group 4 makes claim to being related to the famous John Locke the Philosopher and they have what many believe to be one of the oldest Locke family tree genealogy books ever published, which is often referred to as the book of Locke's by John Goodwin Locke.

Unfortunately this lineage does not have any Y DNA matches to Lock / Locke men in the UK yet, but this is an important lineage because of their ties to important Locke's in UK history.

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One Name Studies: H to M / Re: Lock / Locke
« on: Wednesday 21 June 23 19:48 BST (UK)  »
Group 9 in the Locke DNA project also got a major clue through the use of both Y DNA and Big Y DNA testing.

The direct male descendants of John Lock, b. abt 1696 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania ( USA ) have proven to be a Y DNA and Big Y DNA match to a direct male descendant of William Lock, b. 1663, South Molton, Devon, England.

This is exactly the kind of DNA match this lineage was looking for, and while they still do not have the paper records evidence to prove how John Lock is related to William Lock, they now have a starting point in the genealogical records research because they proved it to themselves that their family trees are a biological DNA match to one another.

The whole point of being Y DNA tested, is to help give those whom are involved in the paper trail research whole new clues to follow in the genealogical records, by proving they are a Y DNA match to one another to give them all the confidence that they are on the right path paper trail wise.

With more genealogical paper trail research having been done on the Lock's of South Molton and maybe having a few more male descendants from the South Molton lineage being Y DNA tested, I have high hopes that one day the common male ancestor can be identified so their family trees can be connected in to a much larger family tree some day.

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One Name Studies: H to M / Re: Lock / Locke
« on: Wednesday 21 June 23 19:29 BST (UK)  »
Group 8 in the Locke DNA project is what I call a problematic lineage because each Y DNA participant traces his family tree only so far back in time, but they do not have a paper trail proving kinship to the other Y DNA participants of Group 8.

Each Y DNA participants family tree traces back to a different paternal Lock ancestor, and the paper records have never been found to tell them how they are related to those other Lock family's and the only reason they know they are related, is thanks to the use of Y DNA testing, proving they all share the same Y chromosome.

Case in point, one of the Y DNA participants traces his paternal family tree back to
Ephraim Lock, b.about 1796, in Virginia USA, d. Giles County, Tennessee.
The other Lock participant traces his paternal family tree back to Abraham Lock b. about 1773 in Virginia, d. November 26, 1844 Chariton County, Salisbury, Missouri USA.

They have no idea how Ephraim Lock and Abraham Lock are related, in fact, prior to the use of Y DNA testing, they had no idea the 2 Lock men were even related because their paper trails did not connect. But they got a huge clue some years ago when a Lock man in the UK got himself Y DNA tested and proved to be a Y DNA match to the participants of Group 8 in the USA.

Mr. Lock in the UK traces his paternal family tree back to Abraham Lock b 1755 Wattisfield, Suffolk, England. After a little bit of genealogical research, it became clear to me the names Ephraim and Abraham Lock are known first names from the Wattisfield region, clearly suggesting there is far more to this family tree story then was previously known about prior to the use of Y DNA testing.

With out the use of Y DNA testing, all 3 Lock / Locke men in the UK and USA, likely would have never known they were related to each other because their paper trails do not connect, yet.
It is the DNA match to Mr. Lock in the UK whom is a direct descendant of Abraham Lock b. 1755 in Wattisfield, whom is a huge clue for all of them, pointing to the fact that theirs is a much larger Lock lineage then any of them knew about prior to the use of Y DNA testing.

There is a clear naming pattern when it comes to those of Group 8, Ephraim and Abraham are first names used in both Lock family trees in the Wattisfiled and Wyverstone, Suffolk, England lineage and of those of the Virginia Colony. It is only a matter of time before all the right paper records are found, before they are able to connect their family trees, greatly expanding their family trees and be able to do so with confidence because they included the use of Y DNA testing.

To take things even further, the Locke DNA project was able to obtain enough donations made directly to the project to be able to pay for 2 Lock / Locke men of Group 8 to be Big Y DNA tested.
One of the Big Y participants is a direct male descendant of Abraham Lock b. about 1773 of Colonial Virginia ( USA ), the other Big Y participant is a direct male descendant of Ephraim Lock b. about 1796 of Giles County, Tennessee USA, whom again do not have a paper trail linking the two Lock men together to the same family tree, and the Big Y test proved to the world that they are indeed directly related to one another!

Both Lock family trees were placed in Y Haplogroup R-FT212664 after being Big Y DNA tested.
As far as genetic evidence goes, there is no better genetic evidence in the world then to be able to prove they are not only a Y DNA match to one another, but they have proven to also be a Big Y DNA match and proven to be in the exact same SNP ( Y Haplogroup ).

They still do not have all the answers, but they have far superior answers then ever before thanks to the use of Y DNA and Big Y DNA testing being done on some of the direct male descendants.

Eventually I would like to see the direct male descendant of Abraham Lock b. b 1755 Wattisfield to also be Big Y DNA tested too, just so they all have even more genetic evidence proving that kinship out too, through the use of DNA testing. I am convinced that in time with enough genealogical paper trail research having been done, they all will be able to prove out their paper trails and prove their family trees back to a common male ancestor, whom was clearly born in England 1700's era.

When and where possible, when the Locke DNA project has collected enough donations, the project helps pay for free Y DNA and Big Y upgrades for existing participants, to help the participants be able to see through DNA evidence, how they are related to one another.

There is zero doubts that there is a family tree connection between the Lock's of Wattisfiled and Wyverstone, Suffolk, England to the Lock's of Colonial Virginia and Giles County, Tennessee.
The genetic evidence already known about, is living proof of their kinship to each other, and it is just a matter of time before all the genealogical records are found to be able to figure out who the common male ancestor is.

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One Name Studies: H to M / Re: Lock / Locke
« on: Wednesday 21 June 23 18:20 BST (UK)  »
Your Lock / Locke paternal lineage is distinct and unique compared to all other Lock / Locke paternal lineages in the world. The male Y chromosome never forgets kinship!

Here is a great example. One male Locke from Australia and one male Lock from the USA got themselves Y DNA tested a number of years ago, both men were a Y DNA match to one another.
Both men started sharing their family tree information with one another once they learned they were related thanks to the use of Y DNA testing, and eventually they were able to figure out who the common male ancestor was.

Their common male ancestor is George Lock,abt 1630, Ilminster, Somerset, England.
With out the use of Y DNA testing, they may have never figured out they were related to each other, and now that they have been able to make the paper trail connection, both their family trees have grown leaps and bounds because they were able to identify who the common male ancestor was in both their family trees. They are known as Group 12 in the Locke DNA project, the direct male descendants of George Lock,abt 1630, Ilminster, Somerset, England.

The same two Locke / Lock men took things to even a deeper level and choose to do the Big Y DNA test which is the most expensive Y DNA - SNP combination test available in the world, and they proved to be a Big Y DNA match to each other as well, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are indeed related to each other even though they live half a world apart from one another.

Far to many people have told me this kind of thing can't work, and yet Group 12 is living proof that with the use of Y DNA testing and working together on the paper trail research, proves it can be done and they were able to trace back to a Lock paternal ancestor born in the 1630's era!

Not a lot of paternal lineages can be traced that far back in time, and yet the men of Group 12 using both the paper records evidence along with Y DNA evidence, have done what many have said can't be done.

Ever wonder if that other Lock / Locke family residing in the same town are related to you?
The paper records do not always tell us what we need to know in regards to kinship, leaving you with unanswered questions. Through the use of Y DNA testing on us Lock / Locke men, we can at the very least be able to say, Yes they are related, or no they can't be related, which maybe far more information then you previously knew about.

Many a Lock / Locke lineages in the UK, Canada, Australia, USA and else where in the world, maybe stuck in the proverbial genealogical brick wall, not being able to trace their family trees any further back due to a lack of paper records making the connections. But the male Y chromosome never forgets kinship! You very well maybe carrying the genetic key to breaking down that genealogical brick wall, through your Y chromosome.

Genealogy is all about finding the clues in the evidence in hopes connections can be made, but again, the paper records do not always tell us what we need to know. the male  DNA test is just a tool that we are using in combination with the genealogical paper records research.

Many people through the decades have given up on their family tree research because they came to a dead end, and I say it may not be a dead end at all, had you included the use of Y DNA testing that could have proven to you that your Lock / Locke lineage is larger then you previously knew about. Every Y DNA match you find, maybe a clue to tell you there is far more to your family tree story then the story you know about.

Every new Y DNA match you get, has the potential to expand your family tree if the common male ancestor can be identified, so you can then link both Lock / Locke family trees together.
No Lock / Locke family tree can ever truly be complete, if there is even one branch of the tree that has gone unidentified.

Does not matter if you are father and son, or 1st cousins, or 10th cousins, the male Y chromosome never forgets kinship! Every biological male of the Lock / Locke surname, carries the same Y chromosome as all your Lock / Locke cousins, no matter where in the world they may now live.
This is how we can tell whom is related, and or not related, by comparing your Y chromosome against every other Lock / Locke male in the world whom has already been Y DNA tested.

I say don't give up hope with your family tree just because you got stuck in the paper records research! Give the Y DNA test a try and see what happens, see if you get Y DNA matches and you just never know, those Y DNA matches maybe pointing you in a whole new direction for your paternal family tree, to another branch that had not been connected to your existing family tree.

I belong to Group 2 in the Locke DNA project, which has 18 Lock / Locke men Y DNA tested from the UK and USA to date, and all 18 men are a Y DNA match to one another because they all shared the same common male ancestor, meaning they all share the same Y chromosome too.
Far to many times I have been told it can't be done, and yet there are 18 of us men of the Lock and Locke surname Y DNA tested for Group 2, proving we are all related to one another, proving it can indeed be done. 

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Travelling People / Re: Cinderella Lock
« on: Monday 20 February 23 19:44 GMT (UK)  »
I know this is an old thread, but I hope everyone involved are still active members whom will read this.

I got to digging in to this, not knowing where it might lead me to see if I could help find answers.

I found a potential clue when I found Adam Lock on the Find A Grave web site, which had a note stating the following "Adam , 2nd son of William Lock & Rebecca nee Davis , died aged 32yrs and was buried on 16th December1904 at Christchurch"

That tid bit of information got me to thinking, if Rebecca Lock is AKA Rebecca Davis, is it then possible her father Obidiah Lock also AKA Obidiah Davis?

I did a search on the Family Search web site and I found this piece of information.

Name   Reuben Davis
Residence Place   Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire
Baptism Date   22 Feb 1867
Baptism Place   Hullavington, Wiltshire, England, United Kingdom
Baptism Place   Hullavington, Wiltshire, England
Father's Name   Obadiah Davis
Father's Sex   Male
Father's Occupation   Travelling Dealer
Mother's Name   Cindemea
Mother's Sex   Female
Event Type   Baptism
Document Type   Bishop's Transcripts

Is the Ruben Lock named in the census records with William & Rebecca Lock AKA Ruben Davis?

It is also interesting to note Ruben's mothers name Cindemea, could she be AKA Cinderella Lock whom is also named in the census records with William & Rebecca Lock?
And it is also interesting to see what Obidiah Davis occupation, Travelling Dealer!

Intriguing information to be sure, but I can't be 100% positive this is the connection everyone has been looking for? 

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Travelling People / Re: Gipsy Dan Boswell
« on: Monday 20 February 23 17:47 GMT (UK)  »
This is the Travelling People forum, so I presumed you were talking about my Locke family whom are Romani.

The Lock / Locke surname in general, is used in England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Sweden, Germany with immigrants spread across the globe. There are over 30 unrelated male lineages identified through Y DNA of the Lock and Locke surname and counting. Just in the UK alone, there could very easily be another additional 30 to 100 paternal lineages of the Lock / Locke surname that haven't been identified through Y DNA.

Yes there are Locke's of Irish ancestry too. I don't know a lot about the Irish Lock / Locke families, though I do know of them.

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